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Old 05-22-2015, 09:50 AM
 
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I've never watched the show and could really care less as to how many kids they have or whatever, but I have noticed that there seem to be a lot of people in jubilation this has occurred.

I think it's kind of despicable so many of you seem so happy this happened. Obviously, it's not even in the same universe in terms of the horrendous acts carried out by this pervert who molested his sisters, but I still find it pretty bad that so many seem to rejoice that it happened.
I don't see any jubilation or rejoicing. What I see is outrage that a family that holds itself as a picture of morality was doing so even as it covered up a serious and insidious problem at its core. What did they do for their daughters to help them? What did they do for their son besides cover up his obvious problems like they were a stain on the rug? (You know, given that they sought advice from their church leaders and then refused to follow it.)

Right now, I'm growing more and more furious by the moment as I think about Josh's sisters. Those girls have appeared on television as happy smiling faces fully on board with their family's lifestyle, but they're being told to dress modestly to prevent male lust even after they were molested by their own brother while they were vulnerable. For their parents to allow that to happen...

For those of us who took a skeptical view of the family's image, it's not a happy thing for that view to be confirmed. It's sickening. My roommate would watch this show frequently, so I've seen several episodes. I'm now wondering which girls were violated by their brother and which of those smiling faces is potentially hiding a world of pain and confusion. I am furious and sick to my stomach. I feel like I saw smoke, someone told me it was all in my head and due to my biases, and then the house burned down.

Maybe look to yourself and why you see "jubilation" when mostly what people are feeling is disgust and anger that this could have been what was happening behind the scenes on national television.

 
Old 05-22-2015, 09:56 AM
 
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I don't always agree with the Duggars and their ideas, but they did take some sort of corrective action. Reportedly, it has not happened again. Honestly, had the police and CPS become actively involved, it could have harmed their family even worse. You start pulling kids out of homes and putting them in foster homes that are worse than the family situation and you take a bad problem and make it worse. Josh was removed from the family for a period of time and placed with someone they trusted. We don't know what happened there, but apparently the situation with him was resolved. We don't know about the girls. I've never 100% bought into the idea of counseling. It can help some people. I've talked to several people who have said it made their lives worse, not better.

Regardless of what Josh did, he was a part of their family. Jim Bob and Michelle couldn't just disown him. He was their son. They had to deal with both sides of the situation. Nothing they did or ever could do would take away what happened in the past. Jim Bob and Michelle probably dealt with the situation in the way that they thought best.

I don't believe Josh is the child molester type he is being made out to be. He was a teenage boy in a sexually repressed family. He found the girls that were readily available to him. It doesn't make it right. I don't think he is a threat to his daughters, nieces or any other children.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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This is one of the best comments!

It is disturbing that so many are rejoicing in the pain of this family.
I don't believe that people are "rejoicing."

I think that many people have a sixth-sense about these sorts of things and felt that it was somewhat inevitable that this family's pride was going to precede a pretty big fall.


Many believe(d) that Michael Brown's actions sealed his fate and one could rightly argue that what he was accused of was no where near as heinous.

Please provide one good reason why this family should be spared similar recriminations given the admitted circumstances?
 
Old 05-22-2015, 10:00 AM
 
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Michelle Duggar recorded robocalls which described transgender people as sexual predators. While she knew that she had an actual sexual predator living in her house and that she helped him cover up his crimes.
Yes! Another great example of their hypocrisy!
 
Old 05-22-2015, 10:04 AM
 
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I don't believe that people are "rejoicing."

I think that many people have a sixth-sense about these sorts of things and felt that it was somewhat inevitable that this family's pride was going to precede a pretty big fall.


Many believe(d) that Michael Brown's actions sealed his fate and one could rightly argue that what he was accused of was no where near as heinous.

Please provide one good reason why this family should be spared similar recriminations given the admitted circumstances?
One good reason: I'm human. I've made mistakes.

I'd hope people would be kind, forgiving to me if I made a mistake and it was exposed. It seems in today's world there is only hate, condemnation and rejoicing in another's pain.

It's not my job to chastise or judge.

If you want to and enjoy it, carry on.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 10:07 AM
 
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I don't believe Josh is the child molester type he is being made out to be. He was a teenage boy in a sexually repressed family. He found the girls that were readily available to him. It doesn't make it right. I don't think he is a threat to his daughters, nieces or any other children.
How do you think child molesters normally operate?
 
Old 05-22-2015, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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One good reason: I'm human. I've made mistakes.

I'd hope people would be kind, forgiving to me if I made a mistake and it was exposed. It seems in today's world there is only hate, condemnation and rejoicing in another's pain.

It's not my job to chastise or judge.

If you want to and enjoy it, carry on.
I could see your points if this was just a "mistake."

These were criminal acts and should have been treated as such.

That you dismiss child sexual molestation as a "mistake" says a lot.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 10:14 AM
 
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Josh confessed to his parents; they took immediate action and received counseling; and reported it to the police. What more does society want?

Am definitely not condoning his actions; yet I applaud Josh and his parents for taking the proper steps to remedy the situation and ensure it never happens again.
Hahaha. Oh no. No no no, that is not what happened.

The girls reported it to their dad. Repeatedly. It kept happening. Finally Josh was sent to live with a family friend with a contracting business, for whom he worked for 3 months. That was his "counseling". Josh came back home. The abuse continued. Finally - a YEAR later - the father took him to a cop friend to be 'scared straight'. 3 years later, someone else found out about it (via a written document that was left in a book that was lent out) and reported it (to non-family-friend law enforcement). By then, the whole truth came out about a pattern of molestation, but it was too late to prosecute.

Charolastra said it better on page 4: "The initial abuse went on from 2002-2003 and in that span of time, Josh molested 4 of his sisters (his 5 sisters were 4, 8, 9, 10, and 12 at the time) and another girl around the same age who was living with them. Papa Duggar did not report it until December of 2004 - and even then, he only reported it to a friend of his who was a cop and gave a stern talking to Josh. No charges filed. That cop is now in jail for 55 years for kiddie porn. The police investigated in 2006 when someone made an anonymous tip to the Oprah show that they felt was legitimate. At that point, it was past the statute of limitations."

The fact that dad finally, after a year, took Josh to a family friend cop for a warning tells me that he knew it was not just a one-time thing, that it was a repeated problem.

Meanwhile, those sisters suffered for a year or more while dad practically turned a blind eye. Why weren't steps taken to make sure Josh did not have access to their rooms? On their property, they could have built him his own little 'pool house' kind of room outside of the house.

Dad failed to protect his daughters after the first time it happened, but don't dare hold hands before marriage! That might lead to sin.

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Old 05-22-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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How do you think child molesters normally operate?
I'm not sure we can apply a child molester profile onto him. He was arguably still a child himself. Especially in the sheltered, sexually repressed home he grew up in. How mature could he have been? He touched his sisters inappropriately and that is molestation. But his motivation might have been simple curiosity. And children going through puberty are curious. They may be even more curious in a household where there is no discussion of the changes he was going through, where the girls are always covered, where masturbation might have been treated as a sin. I think in normal households with multi-gender siblings that while nothing incestuous occurs, that the girls and boys are well aware of the physical differences between themselves, just from walking into bathrooms and bedrooms unexpectedly.

Repression breeds obsession.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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One good reason: I'm human. I've made mistakes.

I'd hope people would be kind, forgiving to me if I made a mistake and it was exposed. It seems in today's world there is only hate, condemnation and rejoicing in another's pain.

It's not my job to chastise or judge.

If you want to and enjoy it, carry on.
It wasn't a mistake, I have two boys & they never made 'mistakes' like that, they knew what inappropriate touching was and I'm sure this guy did too. He's just darned lucky, if he had lived in California he probably would have been confined to a juvenile correctional facility until he was 25 and required to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
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