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jim bob and that wife of his are complete train wrecks, instead of getting therapy to deal with their problems, they join these crazy cult like religions.the saddest part are these poor kids.
Sibling sexual abuse is *usually* reported to CPS...and you are absolutely right, there was a non-sibling in the mix
No, it is not. Look up the research, I have provided links numerous times on this. It is very, very underreported. Again, I have provided numerous links to the research, which is limited, that talks about this. And even in cases where it is reported, the family only comes under continual CPS supervision if the parents neglect to make sure the children are more viligently supervised, fail to believe the victim, and/or are not taking steps to intervene. If this case had been reported it would have been closed very quickly. CPS is overwhelmed by cases so much worse than this that it would barely register and they would not waste precious resources on a family that was trying, albeit not in the ideal way, to stop the behavior. The very fact that the girls were believed by their parents is much more than the last family I reported had going for it.
As far as the non-related girl went - she didn't even know it happened. She and the family found out when Josh was brought to them to confess and ask for forgiveness.
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That report about Bob Jones University's sex scandal is heartbreaking. I won't deny that some groups, fundamentalist or not, Christian and non, conservative and liberal, squelch proper reporting. I'm also not going to deny that some people, both men and women, automatically blame women for sexual abuse or problems within the home. Religious groups and people doing so take an extremely narrow view of Biblical truths and often cherry pick a verse or passage to back up their warped views without taking it in context or using recognized biblical exegesis (study and interpretation).
My daughter had considered BJU as a potential college because we had used some of their material in our high school homeschool curriculum. She chose not to go there, and I fully supported her, because she considered their rules too controlling. Young people, if raised correctly, don't need outside sources to control their every move and act as morality police. BJU seemed to think the only proper and modest attire for women was a potato sack (hyperbole, but not far from the truth).
No, it is not. Look up the research, I have provided links numerous times on this. It is very, very underreported. Again, I have provided numerous links to the research, which is limited, that talks about this. And even in cases where it is reported, the family only comes under continual CPS supervision if the parents neglect to make sure the children are more viligently supervised, fail to believe the victim, and/or are not taking steps to intervene. If this case had been reported it would have been closed very quickly. CPS is overwhelmed by cases so much worse than this that it would barely register and they would not waste precious resources on a family that was trying, albeit not in the ideal way, to stop the behavior. The very fact that the girls were believed by their parents is much more than the last family I reported had going for it.
As far as the non-related girl went - she didn't even know it happened. She and the family found out when Josh was brought to them to confess and ask for forgiveness.
It is under-reported but it is reported by mandatory reporters who are on the front line (i.e. therapists and doctors) even if there is already a treatment plan going ahead...was my point.
I won't presume to know what the CPS would do in Arkansas with this information.
I guess that makes it OK, molest 5 girls over the course of a year or two, perfectly normal, carry on.
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Of course not, don't be ridiculous. Like most things, there is a range of ways to address something like this. There is nothing black and white about the issue of sibling sexual abuse, nor is there an absolute way to approach the matter when it occurs. When there is an insistence that there is only one right way about doing anything it does a huge disservice to everyone.
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Really? Go ahead, eliminate one of the five girls. With evidence please.
By process of elimination, I meant that I believe it easy to figure out that it was the five oldest girls in the family at the time, unless you want to leave out one of the older girls and imagine Josh molested one of his sisters who was younger than the 5 year old. The thought of him being remotely interested in someone at the age of 5 is beyond disturbing, do you really want to imagine there was someone younger??! Who else do you think were the five females who lived under the Duggar roof who were molested?
AKR27540, I'm sorry you were subjected to rape when you were younger. No one should ever have to go through that or other forms of sexual molestation. However, I was specifically talking about sexual molestation, in the form of fondling, with a clothing barrier, committed against relatively young girls who were often sleeping and didn't even realize they had been violated. There is no indication in the police report that they were extremely traumatized by the experience, as would have happened in the case of rape. In my own case, I experienced a worse form of molestation, but it wasn't enough to traumatize me for life.
Yes, I actually purchased and read "Rules for Radicals." I think the purchase was before Obama came on the national scene, but I can't be sure. I know it was getting a lot of attention at the time, and I felt I should read it so I could converse intelligently about it. Details are somewhat fuzzy because I did a quick reading years ago and haven't looked at it since. I disposed of the book when I moved three years ago and wanted to downsize my large volume of books. It might surprise you, but I actually rather enjoyed the book. I realize it has been demonized by those on the right; however, the rules for societal change could apply equally on both sides of the political divide. Those on the right, IMO, are generally too polite to embrace some of the practices, such as shutting down the dialogue with noise and unnecessary ridicule. They also don't expect perfection from others because they realize they have faults of their own. Those on the right usually prefer to argue facts rather than engage in hyperbole. While liberal or Democrats may not have read the book, they certainly have the tactics down to a science.
We're in no position to judge who is telling the truth between Jim Bob and Hutchens. I don't even know what Hutchens has said, and I really don't care. The "facts" in evidence are those presented in the 2006 police report. I can think of several reasons both sides would lie. I can also see a misunderstanding or misremembering of things said 12 years ago. Most of the girls claimed, to their knowledge, the molestation only happened to them once.
You can't know whether or not they were traumatized, that's the point I've been trying to make repeatedly and they were not offered the option of counseling and when it comes right down to it, neither was Josh. The parents dropped the ball. It also happens that JimBob was running for the Senate at the time. Do you honestly believe that one fact didn't influence the other? Everything they do is scripted.
Good to hear, you read the book. You're probably 1 in 100 who has mentioned it, that has actually read it. How the hell can you actually say that those on the right are too polite, in your opinion, of course, to embrace the practices in the book that you mention, such as shutting down the dialogue with noise and unnecessary ridicule? They also don't expect perfection because they realize they have faults of their own? I could offer hundreds of examples of the RW'ers behavior that contradicts what you've said but let me just offer the following. How about the fact that members of Congress decided the night of President Obama's inauguration that they would refuse to do anything that he suggested, despite the fact that they were going against things their administration had previously done without question, whether we're talking about raising the debt ceiling, supporting infrastrucure spending, increasing veterans' benefits or passing jobs bills. It didn't matter whether or not it was beneficial to the country as a whole, they weren't going to do it. You really want to talk about how the RW is somehow morally superior to those on the left, you better have a clean slate to refer to. Fox News (the only news station that ever went to court to defend their right to lie to their viewers and won!) does enough to slander the President daily, along with birthers, who have gone so far as to claim his parents aren't his parents, he killed his grandmother, Michelle Obama, our First Lady is a transsexual and that the Obama girls were adopted because the President is gay. That's not unnecessary ridicule?? All because they can't accept the results of an election, they decided to personally attack the President and his deceased family members. You can't get much lower than that.
The information that has been offered is based on what the girls said 12 years ago, not what is being said today so to talk about how things aren't being remembered correctly because of how long ago it happened, isn't accurate.
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