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Old 06-05-2015, 03:31 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Tinawina View Post
Okay, before this turns into an argument over timelines and details....

1. Did Josh Duggar molest his sisters?
2. Did the parents not tell anyone or get the kids help for over a year, until Josh repeated the behavior two more times that they know of?
3. Were some of the victims awake when it happened?
4. Did the children ever receive counseling from a certified counselor? Did the family turn down suggestions to go to a certified counselor?
5. Did the parents initially lie about their handling of the situation to the police?
6. Did they say things in their Fox interview that are known to be untrue?
7. Was the police report obtained legally and not "leaked'?


So... why are people defending them so hard again?
1. Yes
2. They tried to deal with the problem in-house, as many parents would. When that didn't work, they turned to outside help, as many parents would.
3. Yes, and some were not.
4. We don't know. That information has not been made available.
5. We don't know. State Trooper Hutchens has some credibility issues. Plus this was years ago.
6. We don't know.
7. It was legally obtained, but its release still raises questions as the minors involved should have been given an unbreachable assurance of privacy.


People aren't necessarily defending the Duggars. Certainly they could have handled things better. But there are a lot of false things being said about what happened, and a lot we don't know. And it is appropriate to correct the falsehoods.

 
Old 06-05-2015, 04:09 PM
 
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1. Yes
2. They tried to deal with the problem in-house, as many parents would. When that didn't work, they turned to outside help, as many parents would.
3. Yes, and some were not.
4. We don't know. That information has not been made available.
5. We don't know. State Trooper Hutchens has some credibility issues. Plus this was years ago.
6. We don't know.
7. It was legally obtained, but its release still raises questions as the minors involved should have been given an unbreachable assurance of privacy.


People aren't necessarily defending the Duggars. Certainly they could have handled things better. But there are a lot of false things being said about what happened, and a lot we don't know. And it is appropriate to correct the falsehoods.
LOL, when a white person is involved, we must investigate and not jump into conclusion. When a minority is involved, hang him.
 
Old 06-05-2015, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
1. Yes
2. They tried to deal with the problem in-house, as many parents would. When that didn't work, they turned to outside help, as many parents would.
3. Yes, and some were not.
4. We don't know. That information has not been made available.
5. We don't know. State Trooper Hutchens has some credibility issues. Plus this was years ago.
6. We don't know.
7. It was legally obtained, but its release still raises questions as the minors involved should have been given an unbreachable assurance of privacy.


People aren't necessarily defending the Duggars. Certainly they could have handled things better. But there are a lot of false things being said about what happened, and a lot we don't know. And it is appropriate to correct the falsehoods.
4. Counsellors are mandatory reporters, that's how we know neither the girls nor Josh received counselling.

5. If it was an official complaint to the police they too are mandatory reporters.
 
Old 06-05-2015, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Fairfield of the Ohio
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Originally Posted by Tinawina View Post
Okay, before this turns into an argument over timelines and details....

1. Did Josh Duggar molest his sisters?
2. Did the parents not tell anyone or get the kids help for over a year, until Josh repeated the behavior two more times that they know of?
3. Were some of the victims awake when it happened?
4. Did the children ever receive counseling from a certified counselor? Did the family turn down suggestions to go to a certified counselor?
5. Did the parents initially lie about their handling of the situation to the police?
6. Did they say things in their Fox interview that are known to be untrue?
7. Was the police report obtained legally and not "leaked'?


So... why are people defending them so hard again?
See, that's where you are confused. I'm not defending him. I'm showing people their errors when they state things that are are their opinions as facts. I've been crystal clear that he molested 5 girls.

1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes
4. Yes, No They clearly said that all of daughters who were victims had counseling.
5. No
6. No
7. As of yet undetermined.

BTW - DCS was involved.
 
Old 06-05-2015, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Fairfield of the Ohio
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LOL, when a white person is involved, we must investigate and not jump into conclusion. When a minority is involved, hang him.
Oddly placed race card.
 
Old 06-05-2015, 05:43 PM
 
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Oddly placed race card.
Not really for the poster. He went down the line of new topics to type a rant about white people in each topic evenly. No-matter the topic.
 
Old 06-05-2015, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Fairfield of the Ohio
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Not really for the poster. He went down the line of new topics to type a rant about white people in each topic evenly. No-matter the topic.
He's probably a member of the faux "#TheMovement".
 
Old 06-05-2015, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by sspistol View Post
See, that's where you are confused. I'm not defending him. I'm showing people their errors when they state things that are are their opinions as facts. I've been crystal clear that he molested 5 girls.

1. Yes
2. No
3. Yes
4. Yes, No They clearly said that all of daughters who were victims had counseling.
5. No
6. No
7. As of yet undetermined.

BTW - DCS was involved.
They also stated that Josh has counseling, but their idea of counseling was a home renovation project with a family friend who is not a counselor.
 
Old 06-05-2015, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Fairfield of the Ohio
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Originally Posted by jjrose View Post
They also stated that Josh has counseling, but their idea of counseling was a home renovation project with a family friend who is not a counselor.
They also stated that there was continuing counseling after he returned home.
 
Old 06-05-2015, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Originally Posted by sspistol View Post
They also stated that there was continuing counseling after he returned home.
Where? If he was in real counseling the whole thing would have been reported before Oprah staff reported it.
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