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But ahhhhhhhhhhh, here is the issue. They covered for their son. They left their daughters exposed for further abuse (which did happen). They didn't seek out proper mental health care for any of them. They swept it under the rug and then went on to become celebrities in their high moral values.....when they proved they didn't protect their children in the first place.
Check mate.
You can disagree with the way they handled the situation, but that in and of itself shouldn't discredit everything they stand for. It's impossible for any parent to say they would've handled things perfectly unless they've been in that situation. Perhaps they simply handled things the best way they knew how to. Right or wrong - the way things were handled doesn't discredit whatever they stand for.
You can disagree with the way they handled the situation, but that in and of itself shouldn't discredit everything they stand for. It's impossible for any parent to say they would've handled things perfectly unless they've been in that situation. Perhaps they simply handled things the best way they knew how to. Right or wrong - the way things were handled doesn't discredit whatever they stand for.
Of course it does. We are not asking them to be perfect. How about taking some simple action to protect your daughters? How about not reporting to a trooper twice jailed for kiddie porn? How about not taking direction from yet another man who recently stepped down from numerous sexual allegations against him?
This entire 'quiverful' movement has some very shady stuff behind it.
We ought not to be rewarding it with a national television show. It's over. I suspect more will be learned and none of it will be good.
Of course it does. We are not asking them to be perfect. How about taking some simple action to protect your daughters? How about not reporting to a trooper twice jailed for kiddie porn? How about not taking direction from yet another man who recently stepped down from numerous sexual allegations against him?
This entire 'quiverful' movement has some very shady stuff behind it.
We ought not to be rewarding it with a national television show. It's over. I suspect more will be learned and none of it will be good.
Exactly! None of this quiverful lifestyle should have been glorified in a TV show. It's all a sham and thankfully these Duggars have been exposed for the hypocrites they are.
I noticed that, too. Their lifestyle does not encourage independent thinking, so it's not all that shocking... but it does come across as coached.
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And on a side note, the way their answers were almost mirrors of each other's answers was very creepy to me. Looked coached. Broomball is their favorite sport. English class was best, math least favorite subject. One dog and six cats. Why they were there in the interview. Answers in the same words, in exactly the same order, by almost every kid. The older ones deviated a bit, but not by much.
You can disagree with the way they handled the situation, but that in and of itself shouldn't discredit everything they stand for. It's impossible for any parent to say they would've handled things perfectly unless they've been in that situation. Perhaps they simply handled things the best way they knew how to. Right or wrong - the way things were handled doesn't discredit whatever they stand for.
eddie,
I sort of agree with some of what you wrote. They pay cash so they don't have interest payments..good concept in my mind, except how they got so much of what they have. Their health insurance is paid for, TLC and sponsors paid for their home and filled the pantry. 19 Kids and Counting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Like many things in life, I think it is how they present themselves. I'm not even going to touch M.'s Fayetteville Robo calls about Transgender people in restrooms or her comments about the LGBT community. This family had an unemployed daughter and son-in-law who finally started working for JB prior to the 1,000 guest wedding. The young couple had a honeymoon in Europe.
It goes on and on with them, yet to hear them talk, all their clothes are bought at thrift shops. Those were great buys in wedding gowns from a thrift shop.
I agree that they help others and that is an incredibly valuable lesson to teach children. I also have no problem with their belief in God and Jesus. But belief alone does not resolve certain problems.
JB served two terms in the state legislature and he lost an election for Congress. He knew the statutes in AR and refused to produce Josh to the authorities until the statute of limitations had expired. Two attorneys, after JB called them, refused to represent Josh. Doing the best they can? Maybe. How many parents have those experiences to know the law?
Exactly! None of this quiverful lifestyle should have been glorified in a TV show. It's all a sham and thankfully these Duggars have been exposed for the hypocrites they are.
I agree, Luzette. TLC has a record of five or six shows, maybe more, they have had to cancel. When they look for extremes they have found some. I'll say it's good to see a Quiverfull family to understand much more, but one or possibly two specials would have been enough. TLC didn't identify them as Quiverfull.... I wonder why ( not!).. But I don't need to see this family on tv, in the breaking news on my Browser or magazines etc. any longer.
TLC needs new executives if the current ones can't figure out better programming. We as the public need to make our voices heard to those who have allowed them to live as they do.
There are millions of good parents who do the best they can and don't sell another book or exclusive photos of their kids and grandkids to have enough money to support their families. Most parents and grandparents work more hours or overtime or a second job to support their families.
The Detroit Free Press called them, "Pious."
I think it is important for parents to teach their children the value of hard work and service to others. However, parents have the kids it is their job to raise them, not the older kids.
It's time for us to let sponsors, TLC, People Magazine, NBC ' S Today Show and their book publisher etc. we've had enough. I hope others will join me contacting the sources of their major financial support.
I had a brother and that didn't happen. I also don't understand why he was not taught about sexual boundaries. We always knew family members were not for "that". I don't understand why the whole family did not have to go to counseling, separately and together. I think he is probably a sociopath.
You got to wonder why the parents felt the need for a "cooling off period". Maybe they were like some posters here and just thought it wasn't that big of deal? And, I would also agree that some seem to be rejoicing that this happened because they can point out that Christians sin. I thought everyone knew that already.
I cannot understand why the story was sat on for so long and why the family would go into the public spotlight with this in their background. Obviously, their "failure to protect" is still in play. The girls should have been pulled out of the home until counseling and evaluation had been completed. Sadly, I hope the wife will be watchful and protect their children if the need arises. I would not trust him alone with a little girl since first experiences can be something that one desires for a lifetime.
I have never seen the show. We cut the cable 8 years ago and never looked back.
Good information and questions, Anywhere Else. I think some may have been posted earlier, but many appear to be entering the discussion without the benefit of so many good, informative posts. Hopefully, these will be read now.
Only the parents and Josh can answer your questions of why. But reading the link another poster left for me, if I understood what I was reading correctly, a person convicted of sexual abuse, especially the felonies, spends 25 yrs. in prison. Once again, I'm not an attorney so I may be inaccurate stating what I think the AR law says.
The Duggars write off their house as a church and school. J.B.'s time in the AR Legislature provides their health insurance. I've already posted the Wiki link proving TLC paid for their house, and sponsors furnished it, except the kitchen. Somehow, JB and M. find ways to have others meet many of their family's needs.
As a former Legislature JB knew the statute of limitations. That is how come it took so long. What would they have done if Josh went to prison? For all we know, JB could have been planning more time in government service or other.
The report referred to a popular misconception that juvenile sex offenders are likely to reoffend, and said numerous studies over the years have shown the opposite — that 85 to 95% of offending youth are never again arrested for sex crimes.
The motives of juvenile offenders often differs from adults.
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Experts say the young offenders differ from adult sex offenders not only in their lower recidivism rates, but in the diversity of their motives and abusive behavior.
While some youths commit violent, premeditated acts of sexual assault and rape, others get in trouble for behavior arising from curiosity, naivete, peer pressure, momentary irresponsibility, misinterpretation of what they believed was mutual interest, and a host of other reasons. Some cases involve sibling incest; sometimes the offenders have autism or other developmental disorders that lessen their ability to self-police inappropriate conduct.
"There needs to be a highly discriminative response system," said sociologist David Finkelhor, director of the University of New Hampshire's Crimes Against Children Research Center. "It needs to differentiate between the kids we should stigmatize as little as possible, who are probably going to be fine with some kind of education, and others who need a lot of intervention, including maybe incarceration, because they pose a tremendous risk."
In all likelihood 14 year-old Josh Duggar would have probably fit in the "stigmatize as little as possible" category. Had it been taken to the authorities, as far as the public knowing goes, we would not have known. They could have done their show anyway. Those records would have been sealed and none of us would be discussing it. Which brings us to......
Parents aren't very good about reporting it.
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Virginia White, a family counselor with Pittsburgh Action Against Rape, deals with young victims of sex abuse, including those targeted by siblings.
"The parents are in a tough place — they feel guilty a lot," she said. "And the victim is often torn, because the other sibling may be removed from home."
Ideally, parents as well as the offending child should be involved in treatment, according to Jay Deppeler, president of an agency called Edison Court in Doylestown, Pa., that runs a residential treatment program for adolescent male sex offenders.
However, Deppeler said stigma and fear of consequences probably deter some families from telling authorities about cases of intra-family abuse.
"The family may circle the wagons, and the abuse may persist," he said.
No, it wasn't okay. However, all the dire life-altering things people keep saying should have happened to him at the time wouldn't have happened. The only difference would have been that he would have gotten a different kind of counseling, which yes, would probably have been better.
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