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I read the entire report. Didn't see vaginal penetration at all. In fact, I remember several of the girls saying they were all wearing underwear. Granny-style underwear, not thongs.
Who said anything about thongs? It's in the police report that he inserted his fingers in the victim's statements. Not all of them. Read it again if you want to know exactly where it is. You do realize underwear can be moved so a finger can go behind them, right? It's not like they're superglued on. Well, with that family you never know.
And secondly, I can't help but wonder about how curious a teen-aged boy in a household with more than a dozen siblings (meaning the parents are certainly sexual), but where sex is somehow prohibited, where touching a person of another sex is overtly regulated, where there is no sex education, where there is no older brother or sister to tell you how to broach the topic with the parents, in that kind of repressive environment, I wonder how a teen-aged boy is going to deal with his hormones and curiosity.
I fully think what he did was molestation. And I think his parents should have had him professionally evaluated and counseled by an experienced professional whose area of expertise was sexual abuse. I also think the entire family needed counseling.
But I don't see any purpose being served in mischaracterizing what he did. He's the perpetrator. He's also a victim.
You're probably right. Like I posted earlier, I'm pretty sure that any statutes pertaining to incest refers to a sexual relationship between people over 16 who are related by one or more degrees of consanguinity. It's like being charged with bigamy. It's a sexual relationship that has been outlawed even though the participants are consenting.
Sexual assault of a child is usually defined as touching or being forced to touch sexual organs of another for purposes of sexual gratification and there's a requirement that the victim be under a certain age.
Incest and sexual assault of a child are different offenses under penal codes because they involve different behavior. I don't know what the penalties are for incest, but I bet they're much lighter than for sexual assault of a child because there's no element of coercion.
Josh was not convicted, the LEO that Jim Bob consulted (who gave the stern talking to) is the one that was later convicted of child porn
I am sorry you were molested but I am glad you are at peace with how it was handled. However, I do think it's important to note that without taking any legal action against your uncle he is/was much more likely to molest again... He likely would learn to do it outside family boundaries. That's why I always encourage someone to report a sexual predator because when you don't you're simply enabling them to prey upon someone else at a later date
No, that would not ever have been the case. He was watched like a hawk ( I have a large family) and he was so "broken" by the whole affair I really don't believe he ever would have tried to do such a thing again. You were not there...I was. I know there are a lot of sickos out there that should indeed be locked up, but he was not one of them. And he was just one of 3 males, that I was aware of, that did crap like this. You people that read the tabloids and the media blitzes and then get all outraged, well, I am telling you that this is something that is far more common than you will ever know. And most of these guys recover from their behaviors, they change, they learn. And us victims do the same. I don't think Josh sounds any worse than my uncle, in fact it sounds way milder. This is just not worth all the media hype, to me.
I skipped classes. I threw a snowball and hit a car. Those were teenage mistakes.
Fondling children amounts to considerably more than teenage mistakes.
Exactly! Teenage mistakes are goofy little things that aren't a big deal. Abusing anyone is a big deal. Abusing 5 people on 5 separate occasions is a HUGE deal.......and then to joke about it on national television is just sick!
I will admit I have only read the first few pages and the last few pages of this thread. I don't have time to read it all. I have never watched a episode of their show but have seen commercials for it several times over the years.
One point that stands out to me is why this is a topic besides the fact that they have a reality show and their personal views, is how the information is available in the first place. I'm not talking about a leak of the information from court or a police report. If what I have read on this forum is accurate it was the father was seeking help for his 14 year old son. It was his parents that brought the situation to light, was it not?
I read comments here about covering the situation up but if that was the actual case then nobody here would know about what happened. There would be no police report or court information. The family would have been silent from the beginning.
If this was an adult that committed these acts, I believe there would be universal outrage and condemnation and a united discussion here with very little opposing views.
This was a 14 year old kid and other underage children. While it was wrong, I don't think labeling him a pedophile as a adult is appropriate.
There was one poster that I read that if he was attracted to children he'll always be a predator. I can't believe someone could actually spew that about a 14 year old. I was attracted to a 13 year old when I was 14. She was my first girlfriend. If she would have let me get to second base, would that have made me a pedophile or molester as an adult? As a boy I thought about it but never tried anything with that girl. A year later when a 17 year old made a move on this 15 year old, did that make her a pedo for life? I think not. The point here is about the unwanted touching of a child to another child. The wrongs of it for the act and thew wrongs of doing so with a sibling.
I read in one of the last pages here someone stated that the boy would have never thought about it unless someone had done something to him. BS! BS! Who the heck are you people?
Every teen boy thinks about those things. Not your sister but in general. They did 40 years ago and probably more so today. Sex, nudity is in every part of our culture toady and kids are bombarded with it everyday. Along with natural curiosity.
Curiosity is natural but unwanted touching is something that needs to be taught not to do by a child. There was a failure here but the hatred for the family seems to top the agenda.
It seems to me the father sought help. If not they would have contacted nobody.
Setting politics and ideology aside (I know that's hard for many to do) but the venom that I have seen is huge and unjustified. Particularly after the last thread I read on here about this family in 2012 about the wife having a still born baby.
Some of you are just downright disgusting in your venom towards other people.
Some of you are just downright naive in your defense of charlatans.
In case that's not clear, here is the definition:
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A charlatan (also called swindler or mountebank) is a person practising quackery or some similar confidence trick in order to obtain money, fame or other advantages via some form of pretense or deception.
They're on the same level as the Octomom. Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe TLC should make a new TV show starring the Duggars and the Octomom, where they coach her on finding a "Christian" man to take on her brood and help her breed more. Now that would be a "Quiverfull."
I read the entire report. Didn't see vaginal penetration at all. In fact, I remember several of the girls saying they were all wearing underwear. Granny-style underwear, not thongs.
And secondly, I can't help but wonder about how curious a teen-aged boy in a household with more than a dozen siblings (meaning the parents are certainly sexual), but where sex is somehow prohibited, where touching a person of another sex is overtly regulated, where there is no sex education, where there is no older brother or sister to tell you how to broach the topic with the parents, in that kind of repressive environment, I wonder how a teen-aged boy is going to deal with his hormones and curiosity.
I fully think what he did was molestation. And I think his parents should have had him professionally evaluated and counseled by an experienced professional whose area of expertise was sexual abuse. I also think the entire family needed counseling.
But I don't see any purpose being served in mischaracterizing what he did. He's the perpetrator. He's also a victim.
You can call it anything you want, play semantics forever, but in the end it still is horrible. What does it matter what its "real name" is ... incest or child molestation? Is one better than the other? A useless argument.
No, it wasn't the parents who brought it to light. The parents did not contact authorities in any official manner. They contacted a friend of the family, who was a police officer, in 2003, which was a year after they were first made aware of the abuse. This friend did not file an official report. He merely "spoke sternly" with Josh. This person is now in prison for child pornography. The official police report, from 2006, was not a result of the family coming forward. The family was supposed to be appearing on Oprah, but somebody "in the know" (this person has not been identified) anonymously told the Oprah show that there was sexual abuse in the home. Oprah's people did their due diligence by turning this over to the authorities, which resulted in the police investigation. The Duggars mostly cooperated at that time, although did not allow Josh to be interviewed. This was after the 3-year statute of limitations on the crimes, so no further action was taken.
The parents also sought the advice of senior church members, but never any professional counseling for either Josh or the victims.
Some people on this thread should read the bolded, slowly, several times.
If it were up to the Duggars, they would take the information to the grave.
Stupid idiot should be locked up not put on a TV show. What Paula Deen said was branded as worse than what this Pedophile did.
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but I am glad you are at peace with how it was handled. However, I do think it's important to note that without taking any legal action against your uncle he is/was much more likely to molest again... He likely would learn to do it outside family boundaries. That's why I always encourage someone to report a sexual predator because when you don't you're simply enabling them to prey upon someone else at a later date
