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Old 05-25-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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A 14 year old is an adult for purposes of knowing right from wrong with respect to touching his sisters. So he was not a child, and he should be classified with adult pedophiles with respect to recidivism.

That, and given his fundamentalist upbringing, would lead a rational person to conclude that Josh Duggar should not be left alone with minors, including his own kids.
So knowing right from wrong is grounds for being an adult? Gotcha. So we should lower the voting age to 14 or let 14 year olds buy homes now? Heck why not lower the age of becoming a legal adult to 14?? ...oh wait, that's because psychologically you are NOT an adult nor are you close to being one. Most people agree that even at 18 when you think you know so much because you're finally an adult, you really knew hardly anything and still have so much growing/maturing to do! 14 years of age is still a child.

Please understand that from a psychological standpoint (and a factual standpoint too, really.. Seeing as you aren't legally an adult until age 18) a person age 14 is not considered an adult for a reason.

I agree that Josh shouldn't be left alone with minors and IMO his punishment did not fit the crime. However I do not feel he should have been classified as an adult pedophile because he was NOT an adult. He is a child molester. A predator.

 
Old 05-25-2015, 01:45 PM
 
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A 7 year old acting out sexually IS NOT the same as a 15 year old post-pubescent boy acting out sexually. Does that really need to be said?

Also noted, this was a 6 and 7 year old in this situation. Not a 15 year old and children ranging from 4-12.
I never said it was the same- I said they were both CHILDREN. Does that need to be said? Neither were an adult.

And for the record Lena Dunham was molesting her 2 year old sibling. So would you be comfortable with a 7 year old shoving pebbles up your 2 year old's vagina? Or opening up the labia and exploring as Lena claimed to do? Or how Lena admitted that for years she groomed her sister the way a child molester does? She even explains how she'd bribe her sister with candy in exchange for kisses or letting her sit on her lap, which continued long after age 7.

Josh was no better but he was 14 and his sister was 12, the next sister was 11 (I believe) and the one after that was 10. (I could be off with the ages but basing off of what I have read- haven't looked up their ages to confirm what they were at the time).

Both scenarios are wrong. Molestation is molestation. Never okay.

But that being said I think a 14 year old assaulting an 11 year old is not as bad as a 7 year old preying upon a 2 year old that has no clue what is going on and eventually grows up to be conditioned to the grooming done by the predator (Lena Dunham).

I wouldn't feel comfortable with Lena or Josh around my kids!
 
Old 05-25-2015, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I never said it was the same- I said they were both CHILDREN. Does that need to be said? Neither were an adult.

And for the record Lena Dunham was molesting her 2 year old sibling. So would you be comfortable with a 7 year old shoving pebbles up your 2 year old's vagina? Or opening up the labia and exploring as Lena claimed to do? Or how Lena admitted that for years she groomed her sister the way a child molester does? She even explains how she'd bribe her sister with candy in exchange for kisses or letting her sit on her lap, which continued long after age 7.

Josh was no better but he was 14 and his sister was 12, the next sister was 11 (I believe) and the one after that was 10. (I could be off with the ages but basing off of what I have read- haven't looked up their ages to confirm what they were at the time).

Both scenarios are wrong. Molestation is molestation. Never okay.

But that being said I think a 14 year old assaulting an 11 year old is not as bad as a 7 year old preying upon a 2 year old that has no clue what is going on and eventually grows up to be conditioned to the grooming done by the predator (Lena Dunham).

I wouldn't feel comfortable with Lena or Josh around my kids!
Josh allegedly molested his 4 of his sisters who ages range from 5 to eleven while they were asleep. It doesn't matter which one is worse, it's still bad. Stop trying to excuse his behavior. From what I've read he was 15 btw and was caught doing something similar to this when was seventeen.
 
Old 05-25-2015, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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I agree with this. Anyone who acts like this needs serious help. JB and Michelle failed all of their children.
By their apparent inattention to the girls, and lack of real care to the brother they are certainly failing them. Girls who are molested as children are far more likely to be located by a molester and far more likely to say nothing or be abused by a husband. Doing nothing just means the act will predispose them to more abuse.

That the person who 'counseled' the son is in jail for child porn really makes it questionable if they just wanted it to be forgotten.

It's too bad in their state that as soon as the father reported it their version of CPS didn't show up at their door. They don't have a time limit on when they can't act.
 
Old 05-25-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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By their apparent inattention to the girls, and lack of real care to the brother they are certainly failing them. Girls who are molested as children are far more likely to be located by a molester and far more likely to say nothing or be abused by a husband. Doing nothing just means the act will predispose them to more abuse.

That the person who 'counseled' the son is in jail for child porn really makes it questionable if they just wanted it to be forgotten.

It's too bad in their state that as soon as the father reported it their version of CPS didn't show up at their door. They don't have a time limit on when they can't act.
It is too bad, but JB didn't really "report" it. He told a state trooper friend and some church people. He didn't report it to actual authorities.
 
Old 05-25-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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Josh allegedly molested his 4 of his sisters who ages range from 5 to eleven while they were asleep. It doesn't matter which one is worse, it's still bad. Stop trying to excuse his behavior. From what I've read he was 15 btw and was caught doing something similar to this when was seventeen.
His sister range from age 5 to 11 but the police report said he molested 3 of them. So it could have been the older ones for all you (or I) know.

I would NEVER excuse his behavior and you must have conveniently skipped over the parts in several of my comments where I expressed how awful and unacceptable any type of molestation is. It is despicable, disgusting, and takes a sick human to do such a thing. What I was saying, and have said all along, is that Lena Dunham is as bad as Josh Duggar. They were both children while they molested their sibling(s). Whether you want to accept the fact that at 14 (or age 15) a person is a child, is not my problem. I suggest you contact legislatures and ask them to change the legal age of adulthood if you feel a 14 year old is an adult.

I have also heard he continued the behavior, which is why I'd NEVER trust him near children and am appalled his parents let him back in the home. His cousin Amy confirmed he had a courtship before his wife Anna. Rumor has it the courtship was off again on again because of Josh making sexual advances with the girl. Sickening.
 
Old 05-25-2015, 02:14 PM
 
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It is too bad, but JB didn't really "report" it. He told a state trooper friend and some church people. He didn't report it to actual authorities.
If he didn't report it then why was there a detailed 30 page long police report? I read it the other day. I thought that Jim Bob brought Josh to the station to confess?
 
Old 05-25-2015, 02:16 PM
 
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His sister range from age 5 to 11 but the police report said he molested 3 of them. So it could have been the older ones for all you (or I) know.

I would NEVER excuse his behavior and you must have conveniently skipped over the parts in several of my comments where I expressed how awful and unacceptable any type of molestation is. It is despicable, disgusting, and takes a sick human to do such a thing. What I was saying, and have said all along, is that Lena Dunham is as bad as Josh Duggar. They were both children while they molested their sibling(s). Whether you want to accept the fact that at 14 (or age 15) a person is a child, is not my problem. I suggest you contact legislatures and ask them to change the legal age of adulthood if you feel a 14 year old is an adult.

I have also heard he continued the behavior, which is why I'd NEVER trust him near children and am appalled his parents let him back in the home. His cousin Amy confirmed he had a courtship before his wife Anna. Rumor has it the courtship was off again on again because of Josh making sexual advances with the girl. Sickening.
Even in the eyes of the law - there are differences between a 7 year old and a 14 year old. So - no, it was not the same thing. In some states, a 14 year old can be tried as an adult - if the crime is heinous.

Not so for a 7 year old.

I'm not suggesting that he should have been tried as an adult - just that there are even legal differences.
 
Old 05-25-2015, 02:28 PM
 
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If he didn't report it then why was there a detailed 30 page long police report? I read it the other day. I thought that Jim Bob brought Josh to the station to confess?
16 months after first reported to his parent they took him to a fellow church member/law enforcement officer who is a pedo (and now spending 50+ years In prison for child porn) for a stern talking to.
 
Old 05-25-2015, 02:59 PM
 
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His sister range from age 5 to 11 but the police report said he molested 3 of them. So it could have been the older ones for all you (or I) know.

I would NEVER excuse his behavior and you must have conveniently skipped over the parts in several of my comments where I expressed how awful and unacceptable any type of molestation is. It is despicable, disgusting, and takes a sick human to do such a thing. What I was saying, and have said all along, is that Lena Dunham is as bad as Josh Duggar. They were both children while they molested their sibling(s). Whether you want to accept the fact that at 14 (or age 15) a person is a child, is not my problem. I suggest you contact legislatures and ask them to change the legal age of adulthood if you feel a 14 year old is an adult.

I have also heard he continued the behavior, which is why I'd NEVER trust him near children and am appalled his parents let him back in the home. His cousin Amy confirmed he had a courtship before his wife Anna. Rumor has it the courtship was off again on again because of Josh making sexual advances with the girl. Sickening.
As someone pointed out earlier there is a huge difference between a minor committing a sex crime and an adult. Studies have even suggested that sibling sexual abuse is more common then parent to child sexual abuse. I'm not surprised since it's natural for kids especially when young to be curious and don't know yet how harmful their actions are. There is after all a huge difference between a child being curious though and someone who intentionally violates someone for sexual gratification. People need to understand that otherwise we will have ridiculous cases of ten years old boys getting arrested for rape because they were playing doctor.(which did happen in real life btw).

Btw, where did you get the information that he only molested three of his sisters? Every report I've read on this story has said four of his victim were his sisters not three. The other victim was the daughter of a family friend. Ultimately his parents are the ones everyone should be mad at. They should of gotten their son adequate help at research center that specializes in adolescent sexual predators or help through the juvenile system instead of sending him to work with a man who was later convicted child pornography and who also allegedly sexual abused several young girls. They screwed up and now they have to pay. I do think Josh initially violated his sisters out of curiosity but the fact he was allegedly caught doing this again at 17 doesn't look good. A teenager is legally a child but by fourteen/fifteen you should know better then to violate your sisters.
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