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Old 05-22-2015, 11:10 AM
 
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Arent you liberals about redemption especially for teens that commit crimes?
Isnt redemption a Christian theme. Not Christian

 
Old 05-22-2015, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Has anyone actually read the accusation? Unless the story has changed again, which it seems to do daily, he was originally accused by his father of inappropriate touching of his girlfriend when he was a teen. With the Duggars, that could be holding hands.
There is more to the story. Including molestation of several of his sisters while they were sleeping and the issue of his dad finding out on at least 3 separate occasions of molestation happening and not doing anything about it.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/ce...sugc_container

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Per the report, Josh was accused of "fondling… [the] breasts and vaginas" of his victims, mostly while the girls were sleeping, but sometimes when awake. Apparently Josh's father, Jim Bob, was made aware of the incidents in March 2002, but he did not alert the police. In July 2002, Josh admitted to fondling a minor's breasts again, but Jim Bob still did not contact authorities.

"James [aka Jim Bob] said that they disciplined [redacted, Josh] after this incident," according to the report. In March 2003, Jim Bob was made aware of yet another incident. Instead of going to the authorities, he consulted his church.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 11:24 AM
 
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How bout a link to support your assertion that this in any way was known, sanctioned and approved behavior by the FRC?
Now, did I say it was? I'll happily concede that they probably didn't know of his youthful peccadillos.

I do find it interesting, however, that a personality like his would find their organization an attractive place to do the Lord's work.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 11:28 AM
 
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Arent you liberals about redemption especially for teens that commit crimes?
Redemption sorta implies some sort of act of contrition on the redeemed party's side. If you're going to make a living pointing out the moral failings of others, at the very least admit to your own.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Has anyone actually read the accusation? Unless the story has changed again, which it seems to do daily, he was originally accused by his father of inappropriate touching of his girlfriend when he was a teen. With the Duggars, that could be holding hands.
Wrong there, Sparky- he was accused of molesting five girls including some of his sisters.

These kooks are afraid of trans people in bathrooms when the molester is in their own home.

Such wonderous irony.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Well, if that isn't hypocrisy elevated to an art form.

For those unfamiliar with the FRC, it's an organization that's very, very focused on gay people and how they are a horrible influence on America, in particular America's children. It is only logical that they hire Josh Duggar (oldest son of the Duggar family of reality TV fame) as Executive Director - good Christian, member of the Quiverful movement, raised in a highly faithful family, a paragon of sound family values.

Also, it turns out, a child molester.

Daddy Duggar knew (for about a year) before doing anything about it. (It's probably how his faith handles this sort of thing, I'm not up on current doctrine.) And then went to the authorities, who - well, did nothing, really.

So the scrambling has begun. I am not going to post photos of Josh shaking hands with Ted Cruz, Scott Walker and Rick Perry, they're out there. For the Duggars, I guess the TLC gravy train left the station.

And for the Family Research Council, well - nice job living down to expectations.
This all happened a decade ago when he was a teen. The family placed him in a treatment program, and all of his siblings confirm there have been no incidents since, and that they felt safe.

Seems to be a reach to attack a family for the sins of one YOUNG son years ago. Besides, I thought progressive liberals had no issue with incest.
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Now, did I say it was? I'll happily concede that they probably didn't know of his youthful peccadillos.

I do find it interesting, however, that a personality like his would find their organization an attractive place to do the Lord's work.
If anyone needed God, it would certainly be a young man with such a sexual proclivity.

He got help, has had no more incidents for over a decade... yet here is mainscream dragging it up so many years later. It's more wet ammunition being used against the religious right to satisfy the useful idiots of the world.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 11:36 AM
 
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Anyone want to post a copy of the heavily redacted report?

Oh here ya go OP, doesn't seem to fit your narrative but that was the whole point wasn't it by not posting a link.

Josh Duggar on child molestation report: 'I acted inexcusably' | KSL.com

What he did seems inexcusable but no one filed any charges and seems like treatment and counseling solved the issue.

Again if this was a ******* Political/Social superstar then then he would be heralded as a hero for overcoming such a difficult problem as a troubled youth.

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Old 05-22-2015, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA View Post
Well, if that isn't hypocrisy elevated to an art form.

For those unfamiliar with the FRC, it's an organization that's very, very focused on gay people and how they are a horrible influence on America, in particular America's children. It is only logical that they hire Josh Duggar (oldest son of the Duggar family of reality TV fame) as Executive Director - good Christian, member of the Quiverful movement, raised in a highly faithful family, a paragon of sound family values.

Also, it turns out, a child molester.

Daddy Duggar knew (for about a year) before doing anything about it. (It's probably how his faith handles this sort of thing, I'm not up on current doctrine.) And then went to the authorities, who - well, did nothing, really.

So the scrambling has begun. I am not going to post photos of Josh shaking hands with Ted Cruz, Scott Walker and Rick Perry, they're out there. For the Duggars, I guess the TLC gravy train left the station.

And for the Family Research Council, well - nice job living down to expectations.
The authorities were going to do something, from what I've heard. However, the sheriff who was to handle the charges was convicted of having child porn, and sentenced to 56 years. After the fiasco settle, the 3 year statues of limitations for molestation had passed and charges could no longer be filed.

I don't know about you all, but I'm curious why people aren't rioting in the streets for this odd prioritization of justice. Child molester gets away with it after 3 years past, but a guy with porn got have a century. And, in an unrelated case discussed on this forum a while back involving a pastor molesting his adopted 9 year old daughter, got 40 years. So two people who did something objective worse still had collectively less punishment than a sheriff with what I assume were nudie pics. I know that's off topic, but how can anyone say that makes sense?

Regardless, in Duggards defense, he was a teenager when this all occurred. That doesn't make it ok, but if he knows better now, if nothing else, that's the silver lining. With issues of molestation and rape, the fact that it's a crime is the least important thing to me. Someone did something just awful to another person. And to the family's credit, they did do something about it (sort of). He may not have went through the justice system, but I'd like to believe that he's learned his lesson, just because he has kids and could be around his kid's friends and... you don't want anything to happen.

As for hypocrisy... yeah. Duggard's a hypocrite. He'll likely twist it in some way. 'I used to have thoughts' is something I'd expect him to say in defense of this massive contradiction of values.
 
Old 05-22-2015, 11:37 AM
 
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I just want to say, Mike Huckabee standing up for the family, is political suicide. Did he learn nothing from watching President Obama repeatedly speaking out on hot issues when the better path would have been to let events develop on their own?
 
Old 05-22-2015, 11:41 AM
 
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The authorities were going to do something, from what I've heard. However, the sheriff who was to handle the charges was convicted of having child porn, and sentenced to 56 years. After the fiasco settle, the 3 year statues of limitations for molestation had passed and charges could no longer be filed.

I don't know about you all, but I'm curious why people aren't rioting in the streets for this odd prioritization of justice. Child molester gets away with it after 3 years past, but a guy with porn got have a century. And, in an unrelated case discussed on this forum a while back involving a pastor molesting his adopted 9 year old daughter, got 40 years. So two people who did something objective worse still had collectively less punishment than a sheriff with what I assume were nudie pics. I know that's off topic, but how can anyone say that makes sense?

Regardless, in Duggards defense, he was a teenager when this all occurred. That doesn't make it ok, but if he knows better now, if nothing else, that's the silver lining. With issues of molestation and rape, the fact that it's a crime is the least important thing to me. Someone did something just awful to another person. And to the family's credit, they did do something about it (sort of). He may not have went through the justice system, but I'd like to believe that he's learned his lesson, just because he has kids and could be around his kid's friends and... you don't want anything to happen.

As for hypocrisy... yeah. Duggard's a hypocrite. He'll likely twist it in some way. 'I used to have thoughts' is something I'd expect him to say in defense of this massive contradiction of values.
Care to post any links to all these allegations?
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