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Old 05-22-2015, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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First, on behalf of all the vets that appreciate the sentiment, don't let my rant keep you from thanking them.

Just don't thank me.

First. I didn't join the U.S. military to fight for your freedom. I didn't really join to fight for anyone's freedom, it just seemed at the time like the thing to do. So I don't deserve anyone's thanks and I especially don't need or want the thanks of folks who didn't.

Cause here's the thing, I've never been thanked for serving by another vet. The only folks who thank we are the perfectly healthy (hell some of them look fit enough to be Navy SEALs) folks who I get the impression feel that by thanking a vet they have some how fulfilled some portion of their civic duty - I would have said military obligation but that went out the window with the all volunteer force. But the fact is, it doesn't.

The fact that today only 0.5% of the population serves in the military makes "the thanks for your service" line ring more than a bit hollow. It's sounds like gratuitous statement that you tell the help after they mow the lawn, clean the pool, cooked your dinner, or git rid of your roach infestation (or Jihadist as the case may be). But the fact is these kids that have just concluded fighting for 12 god damned years deserve a hell of a lot more than "a thank you for your service" it would have been better if the folks who are doing the thanking had stepped up to the plate and served alongside them.

I apologize if this rant offends anyone, but was hanging in a bar with a young guy who served three tours with the Marine Corps that I've been trying to get into counseling when a strapping guy his age who didn't serve but felt the need to interrupted our conversation to thank my young friend, "for his service."

PS - as we approach Memorial Day, I hope folks really take the time to think about what it means to send young people off to fight wars, that you aren't willing to fight in.
Fair enough post.

But civilians are not psychics, we cannot tell which veteran wants to be thanked, which one doesn't by just looking at them.

I hope you don't think I am lying, several veterans friends told me it is nice to be remembered and thanked every once in a while by civilians.

bolded: The only people who came up to my friend Mike (one arm disabled veteran) are older generation of veterans themselves. People thanked my brother for his service while he was in Marine Corps. Now he is a civilian, people still came up to him occasionally and asked him if he was in service. I guess Marines could always recognize another Marine. Maybe it is just a military thing... I really don't know..

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Old 05-22-2015, 07:30 PM
 
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Getting spit upon in airports and called "baby killer" is being "treated just fine"?
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You have disdain for it. Message received.
I did it. Got the 214 to prove it.

I don't need to be an admirer.
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Old 05-22-2015, 07:32 PM
 
Location: USA
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As a civilian, quite frankly I resent the implication in the OP's post - that everyone who didn't serve is somehow a secret war-monger, eager to send "somebody else" to war to die, and then trying to make themselves feel better by saying "thank you for your service."

It's a sad state we've reached when we can't even honestly thank somebody for their sacrifice without having idiotic accusations made against us.

Those who want the endless wars are the people in power - most of the civilian population has not supported "war without end" in years. Understand that before basically accusing your countrymen of all being cowards, eager to start wars and then have somebody else fight them.

If you want to confront somebody, look to the warmongers in DC vs. posting a rant against your fellow Americans on a random messageboard.

Oh, and thank you for your service.

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Old 05-22-2015, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Texas
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PS - as we approach Memorial Day, I hope folks really take the time to think about what it means to send young people off to fight wars, that you aren't willing to fight in.
I totally get where you're coming from.

And it is the fact that I'm not willing to fight/die for a bunch of old white men's wallets while they plot world domination and fool young men and women into thinking it has something to do with freedom or the american way (like WWII did) that has kept me faaaaarrrr away from the service.

It is such a scam that it sickens me that young, honorable people have given their lives to all this nonsense.
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Old 05-22-2015, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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As a civilian, quite frankly I reset the implication in the OP's post - that everyone who didn't serve is somehow a secret war-monger, eager to send "somebody else" to war to die, and then trying to make themselves feel better by saying "thank you for your service."

It's a sad state we've reached when we can't even honestly thank somebody for their sacrifice without having idiotic accusations made against us..


Which is why I only do nice things (VERY NICE THINGS) for veterans I personally know. More productive that way.
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Old 05-22-2015, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Aztlan
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Never happened.
Prove it.
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Old 05-22-2015, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Billings, MT
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As a Vietnam veteran, and retired military, I have only one thing to say to those who feel somehow obligated to say "Thank You for your service!"
That is:
If you want to thank veterans, past, present, and future, write to your Congress Critters and DEMAND (no, don't ASK, DEMAND) that ALL the promises made to young enlistees or draftees be kept by OUR GOVERNMENT! ALL the promises!
THAT would be the greatest thank you we could ever want!
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Old 05-22-2015, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Caribbean
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Understand. Everyone is different.

My husband is gracious but is very low-key about it. He doesn't like when I request an advertised military discount if he is there.

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As a Vietnam veteran, and retired military, I have only one thing to say to those who feel somehow obligated to say
"Thank You for your service!"
That is:
If you want to thank veterans, past, present, and future, write to your Congress Critters and DEMAND (no, don't ASK, DEMAND) that ALL the promises made to young enlistees or draftees be kept by OUR GOVERNMENT! ALL the promises!
THAT would be the greatest thank you we could ever want!
Completely agree!

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Old 05-22-2015, 08:06 PM
 
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*mumblemumble* your service.
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Old 05-22-2015, 08:06 PM
 
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But civilians are not psychics, we cannot tell which veteran wants to be thanked, which one doesn't by just looking at them.

I hope you don't think I am lying, several veterans friends told me it is nice to be remembered and thanked every once in a while by civilians.
I don't doubt that and I acknowledged that in the very first line of my post when I wrote, "First, on behalf of all the vets that appreciate the sentiment, don't let my rant keep you from thanking them."

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The only people who came up to my friend Mike (one arm disabled veteran) are older generation of veterans themselves. People thanked my brother for his service while he was in Marine Corps. Now he is a civilian, people still came up to him occasionally and asked him if he was in service. I guess Marines could always recognize another Marine. Maybe it is just a military thing... I really don't know..
It's not just Marines, I make connections with young vets all the time. They aren't, at least for me, hard to spot, that is how I got to know my young friend. The main point that I was trying to get across is that there is this... how can I put this, a certain sense of the "thank for serving" really meaning, "thank you for serving so I didn't have to" credit card. Now that I've paid my homage to the vets, so that I can wave the flag, boast of my great patriotism now that I've paid my debt to someone that did.
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