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Old 05-27-2015, 01:25 PM
 
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Yeah, thats working out so well for Kansas......Lets make our whole nation look like that.
Did the federal government cut taxes for Kansas? hmm, I didn't know that.
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Old 05-27-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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You must be having reading comprehension issues today..this is what I said:
Again, so I asked

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So what do big wet kiss to welfare bring. Obviously not much, they just cut the time to 1 year.
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Old 05-27-2015, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Try reading the article, if you disagree, contact the editor and tell them.

Ducey budget misses chance at innovation

"TAX CUTS PREMATURE

We say premature because they were passed two years ago on the assumption that the state economy would be in healthy recovery by now. Ducey, as state treasurer, campaigned in 2012 against a permanent extension of the 1-cent state sales tax hike worth $700 million for K-12 schools in part because the tax cuts would stimulate enough taxable economic growth to make a hike in the tax rate unnecessary.

Back in the “laboratory of democracy” days, elected officials were not afraid to admit when their first pass at a legislative fix didn’t work – they would convene the next year and tweak the school funding formula or the Medicaid income limit.

But Ducey and the small-government groups that backed his campaign aren’t ready to throw in the towel on tax cuts. While most economists say a recession is just the time for government spending to increase temporarily as private demand slows, many Republicans stubbornly cling to an austerity theory that not only says government spending to prime the recessionary pump is unnecessary but that tax cuts will stimulate the private sector.

So far, though, just the opposite has taken place in Arizona, and now Ducey is poised to make another round of budget cuts to offset revenue losses caused by the tax cuts. The university system is set to lose $75 million in state support while cities and counties will continue to be shorted tens of millions of dollars in what they are owed in state revenue-sharing.
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Sales tax is NOT a corporate tax. Sales tax hits everyone.

You certainly are all over the map with this trying to blame it on Ducey who just became Governor.
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Old 05-27-2015, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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"Maybe the Governor of Arizona should get busy and create jobs, why should the people of Arizona depend on the President to create jobs for them"

You answered your OWN question.

Why should ANY government be responsible for "creating" jobs, be it federal OR state?
Ducey like Romney are Republicans who started in the private sector. Ducey was CEO of Cold Stone Creamery just as Romney was in consulting and private equity. Both campaigned on they knew what it took to create jobs. If you campaign on that, you should have your feet held to the fire. As of right now, I don't see Ducey policy doing that. That's the reason I didn't vote him in the Republican primaries nor the general election.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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Did the federal government cut taxes for Kansas? hmm, I didn't know that.
Ahh..so no real response, lets just feign ignorance and ignore Kansas. Got it. You know exactly what I mean.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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read the article, it's not about welfare it's about Dufus, oops Ducey deciding to cut business tax and creating a one billion dollar budget shortfall.
Doug Dufus, good one. More PC than the nickname I have for him...

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Yeah, thats working out so well for Kansas......Lets make our whole nation look like that.
The problem as I've said with both the governor's office (whether it was Brewer or now Ducey) and the AZ legislature is that to reduce the debt, they just want to make cuts but aren't financing them through higher taxes. So the faucet of running debt is clogged up with calcium. Tax revenue acts as a Drain-O to help decrease it. Sadly too many in the AZ legislature believe in Grover Norquist policies and rather just cut the meat and not just the fat.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Doug Dufus, good one. More PC than the nickname I have for him...



The problem as I've said with both the governor's office (whether it was Brewer or now Ducey) and the AZ legislature is that to reduce the debt, they just want to make cuts but aren't financing them through higher taxes. So the faucet of running debt is clogged up with calcium. Tax revenue acts as a Drain-O to help decrease it. Sadly too many in the AZ legislature believe in Grover Norquist policies and rather just cut the meat and not just the fat.
That holds true for both local, state and national governments.
To cut the fat requires an audit.

The only agency that did do an audit was the FCC.
And they were able to save over $1 billion dollars a year due to them having an audit.

Too many governments don't bother to even try to cut the fat or root out fraud/corruption.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Sales tax is NOT a corporate tax. Sales tax hits everyone.

You certainly are all over the map with this trying to blame it on Ducey who just became Governor.
So it don't sound like I am needlessly railroading Ducey, he is making one good move and that is to fight Diane Douglas over her firing two staffers. The issue is about does Douglas have the right to fire the staffers. Knowing how Douglas was a single issue candidate on her against common core stance, I imagine the two staffers was for common core (FYI most of Arizona did switch to common core this past year after being one of the worst performing states in regards to schools.)

Now to go back to the issue, Ducey hasn't helped the schools by asking for more cuts to schools and universities in his budget proposal to the point of a four-day school week at Arizona schools. Ducey is great for charter schools, better for private schools but horrible for public school. This is the main issue on why I didn't vote for him despite him and I both belonging to the same fraternity of Boy Scouts who earned the rank of Eagle Scout.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So it don't sound like I am needlessly railroading Ducey, he is making one good move and that is to fight Diane Douglas over her firing two staffers. The issue is about does Douglas have the right to fire the staffers. Knowing how Douglas was a single issue candidate on her against common core stance, I imagine the two staffers was for common core (FYI most of Arizona did switch to common core this past year after being one of the worst performing states in regards to schools.)

Now to go back to the issue, Ducey hasn't helped the schools by asking for more cuts to schools and universities in his budget proposal to the point of a four-day school week at Arizona schools. Ducey is great for charter schools, better for private schools but horrible for public school. This is the main issue on why I didn't vote for him despite him and I both belonging to the same fraternity of Boy Scouts who earned the rank of Eagle Scout.
What it really comes down to is that the state is not getting enough revenue to finance its budget.
You either tax your residents more or you cut the budget.

AZ elected a Governor that is going to cut and not tax.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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What it really comes down to is that the state is not getting enough revenue to finance its budget.
You either tax your residents more or you cut the budget.

AZ elected a Governor that is going to cut and not tax.
And for the next four years they reap what he sew. I imagine the non elderly vote in 2018 maybe a little bit higher to vote him out of office. Remember, the parents of kids going to public schools who now have to switch to a four day school week now have to pay for childcare for that fifth day OR take a day off of work. That too will hurt because on sales tax, that is more money not spent on wants from retail stores. Effectively, it's another tax cut especially in a state with low taxes to begin with and the sales tax is the main driver.
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