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While I viscerally would love to see an overwhelming ground force sent in to crush ISIS - and frankly wouldn't care what "human rights" abuses such a force would exact upon them - I also understand that it isn't that simple. Unless you can completely surround and identify ISIS forces how do you:
prevent their escape back into Syria or worse their dispersal back to their home countries,
how do you propose that they be fought in Syria without aiding the regime of Assad,
and most importantly, how do you prevent their replacement with yet another Sunni insurgency?
How do you even field and support the force necessary to do it? No adjacent country--all Muslim--would permit a secure logistical base, nor would they guarantee its security. The US could not have pulled off the Normandy invasion without Britain as a secure logistical base.
I read once (Kipling or T E Lawrence) that Arab men are very willing fighters but make very poor soldiers. ISIS seems to have the fighters while the Iraqi Army has the soldiers. ISIS are desert raiders and criminals looking for women and other loot. The Iranian Army simply does not, if it ever did, exist as anything but a welfare program. Eventually ISIS will rape the wrong women (Saudi and Emirate for example) and the individual Iranian men will fight back but that will take some time.
In the mean time we have to realize that ISIS IS NOT OUR FIGHT and never has been. Nor is any of the things we are doing in Afghanistan. We have to get our troops out of both places and watch them fight it out to the last man. We have to realize this is not our fight or our responsibility.
Our military contractors will scream to congress and lie to America when their war profiteering is stopped but that is too damn bad. They already looted our own country for billions and should not ever get any more.
Iraq, Killing Saddam and the lack of soliders willing to fight!
What's your view? Killing Saddam was the worst mistake ever. How can you win a war against people who won't fight for their own country? Continuing to pump money, sacrifice lives of Americans and support that country is stupid. Dropping a nuke would be better and covering it with a bubble.
What's your view? Killing Saddam was the worst mistake ever. How can you win a war against people who won't fight for their own country? Continuing to pump money, sacrifice lives of Americans and support that country is stupid. Dropping a nuke would be better and covering it with a bubble.
Iraq never posed a threat to the US, so no action was ever required to neutralize it. This of course means nuking Iraq would be a war crime of historic proportion. It also goes to follow Bush and Obama are both war criminals and the US troops are aggressing against innocent people.
A copy and paste from the other Iranians will not fight thread. Wanted to save typing. GregW
I read once (Kipling or T E Lawrence) that Arab men are very willing fighters but make very poor soldiers. ISIS seems to have the fighters while the Iraqi Army has the soldiers. ISIS are desert raiders and criminals looking for women and other loot. The Iranian Army simply does not, if it ever did, exist as anything but a welfare program. Eventually ISIS will rape the wrong women (Saudi and Emirate for example) and the individual Iranian men will fight back but that will take some time.
In the mean time we have to realize that ISIS IS NOT OUR FIGHT and never has been. Nor is any of the things we are doing in Afghanistan. We have to get our troops out of both places and watch them fight it out to the last man. We have to realize this is not our fight or our responsibility.
Our military contractors will scream to congress and lie to America when their war profiteering is stopped but that is too damn bad. They already looted our own country for billions and should not ever get any more.
It may be true, as GregW says, that ISIS is not directly our fight, and I also confess to being really fed up with Iraq's fecklessness - but on the other hand, what happens when a country like America, first, likes telling other countries what to do, and, second, gobbles up the world's resources, starting with oil?
What's curious is that in the days of Saddam Hussein, Iraqi forces were supposed to be the best in the region. But I suppose those are the guys who went over to ISIS.
It now looks like a 3 state solution is the only alternative. Saddam held the country together through force. Our invasion destroyed the structure, and facilitated the division's based on sectarian and tribal lines. Sunni west, Kurds in the north, and the majority Shiite population south of Bagdad to Basara. The fight will be over the oil producing areas. So far the Kurds and Shi'a control the oil producing regions. Turkey want support the establishment of a Kurddish state and establishing a Shi'a state would produce the extension of Iran's western boundary. It's a very complex situation and it has proven that we created more chaos than stability in an already unstable region.
Pretty much what I've always said. Some might call me unpatriotic. I call them 100% patri-idiotic. Hiding behind "patriotism" to justify the very foolish decisions made by the past 2 administrations. Our foreign policy, like many of our national policies, have been a mistake at best.
Many Americans just want their beloved country back, not this freak show of a war mongering police state being used to create useless wars.
It now looks like it was and is, none of our business and it should be left to the peoples of the region sort it out.
Funny how many third party arm chair experts think they can solve centuries old disagreements from thousands of miles away. This would include the morons in our State Dept.
Saddam was killed because of money. He threatened the U.S. Dollar by selling oil in Euros. The U.S. goes to great links to make sure all oil in the world is sold in U.S. Dollars even if it means military action. We are addicted to the dino juice and we want to pay the cheapest price for it. Americans don’t care about human lives. That weapons of mass destruction story was just an excuse to invade. In fact, I think the powers at be in America would rather him have a bomb. Because, if you destroy a building in the U.S. somebody gets paid to rebuild it. The new World Trade Center cost over 3.8 billion to rebuild and nobody objected to having it rebuild.
Throughout America’s history anytime you **** with their money you suffer the consequences. Saddam knew this so we can say he killed himself because of his arrogance. I’m not saying it was right but Saddam had a choice. You play a dangerous game, you get dangerous results if you lose, and Saddam loss.
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Iraq, Killing Saddam and the lack of soliders willing to fight!
