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Apples to Oranges really. In most European Countries many of the degrees we have in College are taught at vocational schools.
Yep. I think the European model makes sense. Unfortunately, in this country, people would never agree to limit college based on academic achievement/testing. People like to pay lip service to the idea that only the best and brightest should go to college until their special snowflake doesn't make the cut.
Yep. I think the European model makes sense. Unfortunately, in this country, people would never agree to limit college based on academic achievement/testing. People like to pay lip service to the idea that only the best and brightest should go to college until their special snowflake doesn't make the cut.
There is no one "European" model. They're all different. Britain in particular is getting more like the US, with more student choice. In fact, most that I've looked at are going that way. Who knew we were doing something right?
I think systems that track kids like that, often as young as 10-11 years old, suck. There's no other word for it. There ARE late bloomers.
There is no one "European" model. They're all different. Britain in particular is getting more like the US, with more student choice. In fact, most that I've looked at are going that way. Who knew we were doing something right?
I think systems that track kids like that, often as young as 10-11 years old, suck. There's no other word for it. There ARE late bloomers.
For the late bloomers in Germany:
"Possible ways to get Abitur ( university entry qualification)
Gymnasium (Realschulabschluss with qualification for Sek2 after class 9 needed)->class 10 - 12 Sek2/Oberstufe ->Abitur examination (the classical way) (This school is for fast learners)
Gesamtschule (if available in your state)(Realschulabschluss with qualificatiion for Sek2 needed in class 10) -> class 11 - 13 Sek2/Oberstufe ->Abitur examination (If the Kid needs a bit more time this is good too)
Realschule until class 10 (+ qualificatiion for Sek2), switch to Gymnasium grade 10 or Gesamtschule grade 11 rest see above. (Realschule is ok, do not worry your kid can make the Abitur if it cares for the grades)
Hauptschule (Realschulabschluss with qualification for Sek2 in class 10 needed), switch to Gymnasium or Gesamtschule(adviced cause you have a year more to adapt).
(In earlier times Hauptschule was for kids who are a bit more into craft, nowadays it has a bad reputation, that does not really mean that Hauptschule is really bad, it depends on the staff and the pupils gathered in the school.)
What is important for the career of your kid independent from the kind of school, is to reach the Realschulabschluss with qualification for Sek2.
Also in my view an apprenticeship in germany is not necessarily worse than an university degree, some of them can be easily compared to an Bachelor degree (depending on profession) and some Meister in a profession are near a Master degree in my opinion."
[quote=Frank DeForrest;39748430]Yes making your neighbor pay for the education of your children is immoral.
As if one person or a handful of washington "experts" would know the educational needs of a country of 300 million [/QUOTE
Frank it isn't just immoral to pay for our neighbors childrens education its also immoral to pay for doctors and CEOs education too. Immorality doesn't know class boundaries. The highest defaults on college loans etc is Doctors and Lawyers etc, who pays and is still paying for that? Why is it in this country morality is defined by clsss?
The bottomline is every economic superpower has a highly educated workforce. Highschool performance has no standing on ability of students success in college later. Raising the education level of our workforce will make us more competitive in the world market.
I would require students to take perhaps the best college class to take at a college level and that is a college success class. Since most of success at this level is managing time.
Plus we are already over $18 trillion in debt, so where is all this free taxpayer funded college money going to come from? Our grandchildren?
As I've pointed out once or twice before in this thread, the federal government already spends more on federal grants (not loans--grants) than all the public colleges collect in tuition. This proposal would save money.
Yes. Most people shouldn't have to go to college to have a career. The path should be open for people to demonstrate their skills and aptitude through testing. Thank disparate impact lawsuits for it being closed.
You are one of the few that have nailed it! Dead on you nailed it!
Many, but not all, college degrees offered today are a joke and if they are the avenue to earning more money over a lifetime, a claim all to often made, why shouldn't we expect colleges and universities guarantee their own student loans?
"In Germany every child has a legal right to attend kindergarten from the age of three until the age of six, when compulsory education begins"
Anything before first grade is private and not mandatory. They generally believe the kids are better off with mom.
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