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Old 05-30-2015, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Old 05-30-2015, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The difference is that those cities and towns with airports that are not supporting themselves, the community still receives some benefit from the airport. We all pay for trains and only a limited number of communities receive the benefits of their existence.
Those same communities also receive some benefit from being on a train line as well.....even if you are unable to admit that to yourself....I get it, you really hate the choo choo train and wish everyone would just drive their putt putt cars so that you can sit in more traffic. Oh well, maybe one day you will realize the importance of good rail....I am guessing it might happen one day while sitting in traffic....that is always a good time to think.
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Old 05-30-2015, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Most smaller airports in the USA are HIGHLY subsidized by federal dollars and could not survive without.
That is true, but the community they serve receives the benefit.
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Old 05-30-2015, 01:00 PM
 
Location: SC
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Rail technology is more than 200 years old and still has lots of value, but mostly just for freight. But politicians still love to pump billions into passenger rail rather than look toward newer technology. Rail is very costly, if not impossible, to change or move. Rail only goes where there are (almost) permanent rail lines, not where people choose to go....
False claim.

The Amtrak NE Corridor carries more passengers per day (750,000) than ALL AIRLINES SERVING THE AREA COMBINED.

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The difference is that those cities and towns with airports that are not supporting themselves, the community still receives some benefit from the airport. We all pay for trains and only a limited number of communities receive the benefits of their existence.
Most smaller airports in the USA are HIGHLY subsidized by federal dollars and could not survive without.

Federal Subsidies Keep Small-Town Airports Flying : NPR

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Old 05-30-2015, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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That is true, but the community they serve receives the benefit.
Same goes for rail stations, that community is benefited by having that connection....weird that you can't comprehend that, but you can about airports in small towns.
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Old 05-30-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Those same communities also receive some benefit from being on a train line as well.....even if you are unable to admit that to yourself....I get it, you really hate the choo choo train and wish everyone would just drive their putt putt cars so that you can sit in more traffic. Oh well, maybe one day you will realize the importance of good rail....I am guessing it might happen one day while sitting in traffic....that is always a good time to think.
If I am not able to utilize commuter service but am still having to pay for it, how is that beneficial to me? If the service doesn't bring commerce to my community, how is my community benefiting from a service it isn't receiving?
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Old 05-30-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Look into the the books of AMTRAC and you will find that it is and has always been in the red in spite of the government desperately trying to keep them solvent.
AMTRAC's success or failure isn't indicative of passenger rail itself but it's implementation and management.

It seems the government is also trying to keep our roads solvent too, fortunately bonds can be raised.

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Buses don't receive the same advantage, yet make a profit and are self sufficient...
Because we've already paid for the roads, buses have a great advantage and should/do serve a great role in a transit system.

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If the major metro areas want trains, let them pay for them.
They do partially pay for them.
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Old 05-30-2015, 01:19 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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If I am not able to utilize commuter service but am still having to pay for it, how is that beneficial to me? If the service doesn't bring commerce to my community, how is my community benefiting from a service it isn't receiving?
Yawn. You aren't able to utilize most roads either....... Neither does your community....

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Old 05-30-2015, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Ah yes, as long as you only choose automobile, there you go again saying people shouldn't have a choice in modes of transportation. It is funny that you can't see your own contradiction.
PLease quote my post that says "people shouldn't have a choice in modes of transportation." or admit you just told a lie.
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Old 05-30-2015, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Cars are cars....doesn't matter if there is a driver or not....they are still on the road. How exactly would there be a reduction.
Driverless cars can optimize the distance needed between them. They can increase the maximum capacity of our roads.

And driverless vans become much more cost effective, so those should increase and reduce the number of cars needed.
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