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View Poll Results: Do you support the idea of 2 years mandatory military service for all Americans?
Yes 45 26.16%
No 111 64.53%
Other (explain) 16 9.30%
Voters: 172. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-27-2015, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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No. I did that and don't recommend it. As far as responsibility, giving back, blah, blah, blah, it's the me-first-me-last-me-only boomers who need lessons in social responsibility more than our young people.

 
Old 05-27-2015, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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The draft, when we had it, was just a means to get black males and poor white youth out of the way. Now we have drug laws, mandatory sentencing and profitable prisons to take care of that.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 11:39 AM
 
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So you're saying not only should the military be multiplied by several times to put every kid into uniform, but also that all schools should be transformed to the purpose of preparing all kids for the military?

Scenes from "Triumph of the Will" float through my mind.
Why are the simple minded so obsessed with the Nazi's?
 
Old 05-27-2015, 11:56 AM
 
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As a navy veteran I do know what I'm talking about. You will receive a minimum of $356 a month untaxed in food allotments. Overseas assignments bring all sorts of specialty pay.

Being on a ship in international waters puts you in a tax free zone, then there's sea pay, if you're married you get family separation pay, if you work in hazardous conditions you get hazard pay. There are many incentive pays one can receive. And you'll only be an E-1 for a few months, ranking up to E-2 and E-3 is a matter of months.
Counting benefits and special pays, plus the fact that a troop isn't an E-1 for long, the pay is very much sufficient. That's why a good number contemplate marriage.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 11:58 AM
 
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Some people never get out of the area they are born in, it is their world, the people within that area are their world. Maybe mandatory service would get them away, open up their world, learn to respect authority. Besides, we are supporting these kinds of people through welfare, why not?
Go sight see on your own dime.

You weren't clear, are you for ending welfare or expanding it?
 
Old 05-27-2015, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Counting benefits and special pays, plus the fact that a troop isn't an E-1 for long, the pay is very much sufficient. That's why a good number contemplate marriage.
Exactly! Someone said they were paid less than welfare recipients.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 12:23 PM
 
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Does anyone ever think about how much it would cost? Even if you locked up 50% of eligible 18 and 19 year old in Joe Arpaio style prisons for two years and paid them a dollar a day and forced them to march around with wooden guns you are talking $60 billion a year. Then if you actually paid them and trained them you could easily triple that to $200 billion.
See my post #27.
 
Old 05-27-2015, 12:55 PM
 
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Counting benefits and special pays, plus the fact that a troop isn't an E-1 for long, the pay is very much sufficient. That's why a good number contemplate marriage.
What are all these special pay's everyone is talking about?
 
Old 05-27-2015, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I'm assuming these are monthly rates:
2015 Military Pay: Officer Pay Rates O-1 through O-5
Even the very lowest is the equivalent of ~$35K/yr. That's considerably higher than welfare! Add in health care, uniforms, subsidized housing, other perks. Not that bad!
 
Old 05-27-2015, 06:27 PM
 
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I'm assuming these are monthly rates:
2015 Military Pay: Officer Pay Rates O-1 through O-5
Even the very lowest is the equivalent of ~$35K/yr. That's considerably higher than welfare! Add in health care, uniforms, subsidized housing, other perks. Not that bad!

Those are officer rates, not enlisted...(get it? E= enlisted and O= officer)

After the first enlistment, you have to pay for uniforms (that includes the $$$$ for greens/blues/white/mess)

What is subsidized housing for the military?

What other perks? I've asked this before, people are silent, maybe you can inform this 21 year retired Army dude on these perks? Are you telling me I need to go back and ask for money?
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