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I would be furious...to the point where I'd forcibly resist. I would not go along with it, even if it led to my death.
1. It is slavery. Just because they pay you doesn't mean it isn't. I'll force you to do whatever I want, but I'll give you some free stuff...deal? Well it doesn't matter what your answer is, because I'm overruling your free will.
2. Authoritarianism is NOT something we should be teaching anyone. The concept itself is irrational and contradictory. Teach people not to obey "authority" because there is no such thing as legitimate authority, and it's literally impossible to ever have it (and I can prove it logically, three different ways). No human can have the right to rule over another.
I think if all Americans served in their own way in the armed forces, there would be a great sentiment of a shared national experience; meaning something which all Americans had in common and could relate to.
With the current economic state, however, it would be unwise to increase the costs of the military since the
government is already spending way too much money on other departments. The morale would also be relatively low because citizens would be forced to join something they do not want to be a part in
anyway.
I would be furious...to the point where I'd forcibly resist. I would not go along with it, even if it led to my death.
1. It is slavery. Just because they pay you doesn't mean it isn't. I'll force you to do whatever I want, but I'll give you some free stuff...deal? Well it doesn't matter what your answer is, because I'm overruling your free will.
2. Authoritarianism is NOT something we should be teaching anyone. The concept itself is irrational and contradictory. Teach people not to obey "authority" because there is no such thing as legitimate authority, and it's literally impossible to ever have it (and I can prove it logically, three different ways). No human can have the right to rule over another.
So being drafted into the military is being drafted into slavery? I think your idea of slavery needs some work.
So being drafted into the military is being drafted into slavery? I think your idea of slavery needs some work.
Nope. It's a different degree of slavery, but the state is claiming ownership over you by forcing you to serve. I believe in self-ownership. Actually, self-ownership is a fact..no belief needed. We're just trained to not see it that way.
This was proposed during the Truman administration, it went nowhere.
In the aftermath of the Korean War the draft was continued and any fit young man expected to be drafted. There were college deferments and exemptions for married with kids. The problem was that they were not drafted right out of school, but about four years later. In the meantime no one wanted to hire them and then have them drafted.
This was proposed during the Truman administration, it went nowhere.
In the aftermath of the Korean War the draft was continued and any fit young man expected to be drafted. There were college deferments and exemptions for married with kids. The problem was that they were not drafted right out of school, but about four years later. In the meantime no one wanted to hire them and then have them drafted.
A recruit earned $78 a month.
Times were different back then. Today's military is very well paid.
We've built a society where innocent people are imprisoned for profit. Where our every communication is monitored by the government. Where children go hungry and the sick go untreated so that billionaires can keep another .01% of the rent from their inherited fortune.
And ya'll think we're gonna FIGHT for this?
Ain't gonna happen. If America won't take care of her own people... we ain't gonna take care of her.
I've seen a lot of people floating this idea around as a way to pay back your country, in essence. I'll start off by saying I'm very much against this idea for a few reasons:
1. Cuts into our freedom to choose what we want to do with our lives, you would be FORCING citizens to do jobs they may not want to do.
2. Our volunteer military is made up of people do choose to sign up, how bad would things become when you fill it with people who DO NOT want to be there?
3. There's no way we could afford the cost of employing every 18-20 year old person AND the ones who are already in and staying in.
There are many more reasons, but tell me if you are for or against this kind of idea.
I am on the other side of the fence. I believe the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few or even the one. We are facing enormous problems in fixing our decaying infrastructure, assuring we will have the industrial base to meet our material and resource needs in a future war, fight climate change or adapt to it, and to have a public health system that could treat tens of millions of sick Americans simultaneously in a future pandemic . During the second world war much of the US economy was put under military control for the duration of the war emergency. For example the railroads were run by the US Army which and war materials had priority over any non-military cargoes or passengers. The same was true of our universities which were largely converted to Officer Training schools and war research. Our hospitals also were under military supervision so wounded soldiers would have a bed stateside to recover and rehabilitate. This is what a nation has to do when facing an existential threat. We may face such threats and they may not be due to an armed enemy. It might be a rising ocean taking the homes of nearly 100 million Americans, or the winter brought on by someone else's nuclear war, or the feared airborne version of bird flu. Shouldn't the United States be prepared to take on such challenges rather than submit to a national catastrophe . Doing the grunt work to meet potential national emergencies is the job I would put the millions of minds, hands and talents to by mandatory national service. The military services have engineering units that could spearhead and effort to replace every deficient bridge, road, sewer or pipeline in this nation. Build thousands of miles of high speed rail line just like the US Army Corps of Engineers once built Grand Coulee and Bonneville Dams, the entire synthetic rubber industry in nine months or the Manhattan Project that built the atomic bomb in 26 months from only ideas on paper.
Americans very much lack a sense of belonging to a group and sharing pride in that group. The military is one of the best and a proven means to create a cohesive society with a wider view than just self. If you want to fight racism or regional sectarianism make blacks white and Hispanics work, eat and live together, the same goes for Christians Muslims and Jews or Texans, Californians and New Yorkers or Socialists., Religious Conservatives and Libertarians or rich and poor. We are Americans lets start acting like Americans .
On one hand, there is the blood of the whole country involved when a politician wants to go to war, not just that of a few. At the very least, it may keep quite a few politicians from using the US Military as their personal mercenary force.
On the other hand, one will be spending a lot of money trying to train and keep in a line a lot of very poor quality people ESPECIALLY if this program is a product by those who see military service as a way to fix the problems of society.
Long story short, one of the people I had a hand in kicking out of the Navy was a compulsive liar and a thief but with a pretty smile could probably get what was wanted. I expressed concern to my father about releasing this person into the civilian world and my father said, "DON'T! Society produced this person and it's not the military's job to fix the problems that society refuses to fix itself!".
So, for reasons that military service is often seen as a way to straighten people out, I vote "other". I vote "other" in that while everyone should be eligible for two year mandatory service, the military gets to pick who it will and won't take.
No thank you, i don't want to have anything to do with the US military.
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