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Old 05-27-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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The elephant in the room that no progressive leftist wants to talk about is the UAW circa 1975-1980.
Well, the Left has a strange alliance with traditional Union people and Elites, and Welfare recipients. I have more than a few Relatives and friends out of the Pittsburgh area, and while they are mostly Dems, they are not very liberal.
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Old 05-27-2015, 01:17 PM
 
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Republicans doing everything to destroy unions and dismantle our educational system isn't enough explanation? Republicans and their conservative friends like Clinton ran the country from 1981-2009. It is seriously asinine to pretend Democrats have any sort of fault.
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Old 05-27-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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The elephant in the room that no progressive leftist wants to talk about is the UAW circa 1975-1980.
I'd be more than happy to discuss the UAW from 1975-1980, as long as we can discuss auto unions in Japan, and Germany, the history of labor relations, and foresight or lack thereof regarding market shifts in car design?
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Old 05-27-2015, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Do you want to pretend that the massive spending and policies pushed by the Democrats over the last 25% of Bushs tenure (when the crash started) never happened? Do you want to pretend that the country didn't start to turn around until AFTER the Democrats lost control of Congress and couldn't continue their massive spending spree?
What massive spending and policies were passed over the Bush veto? The right-wing makes this accusation all the time, as if the mere electing Democrats, who didn't enact any harmful policies, caused the crash.

The crash was the result of free market over-extension and not because of "Democratic Spending." Below is a graph of federal spending during the Bush Admin. Please show how the slop changed when Democrats took office. During a good deal of the Bush years the GOP controlled the White House, the Senate and the House. Yet, spending increased year-after-year.

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Old 05-27-2015, 01:46 PM
 
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There is a two word answer for Detroit current state: population demographics. I grew up outside the city in the burbs and have spent a considerable amount of time in the city as well prior to moving south. The bulk of the population is uneducated and unmotivated. The auto industry left decades ago and is never coming back. By and large Detroit is too dumb to diversify and move on such as Pittsburgh did. This will **** people off but its the truth. The inner city culture is a disaster at best and crime is out of control. Very few educated and civilized people look and Detroit and say I want to move there!! And even if they do their rarely moving into and benefiting neighborhoods, their to smart for that **** so they move into a gated high-rise downtown were they don't have to deal with all the BS.! The city will continue to decline much further IMO. Short of changing the populations demographics there is no large scale fix for Detroit and never will be.

Dow town has came back and made great strides so before one of you jumps on me about this I acknowledge this. Mid town is on the rise as well as cobblestone district. This is great and all but will never save the city. Change needs to happen in the neighborhoods to save Detroit.

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Old 05-27-2015, 01:56 PM
 
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Republicans drove the country into the ground very recently. Do you really want us to pretend that Bushes era never happened ?
Big government and its policies caused that recession.

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They even have powerful unions, which conservatives consider blasphemy, and an affront to capitalism.
You're not even close. The vast majority of conservatives want people to have the CHOICE to join or not join a union and never be forced to pay any form of dues or penalties for not joining. Conservatives are for choice while liberals want to take that choice away.

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Republicans doing everything to destroy unions and dismantle our educational system isn't enough explanation? Republicans and their conservative friends like Clinton ran the country from 1981-2009. It is seriously asinine to pretend Democrats have any sort of fault.
Once again, conservatives want choice when it comes to unions, with the exception of public sector unions which really should be abolished.

Conservatives want an effective education system while liberals want to just throw money at it.
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Old 05-27-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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There is a two word answer for Detroit current state: population demographics. I grew up outside the city in the burbs and have spent a considerable amount of time in the city as well prior to moving south. The bulk of the population is uneducated and unmotivated.
Well that's a rather thinly veiled slander (trying to be polite)

Of course redlining, and blockbusting had nothing to do with the destruction of Detroit's tax base:

http://www.amazon.com/books/dp/0691121869

Detroit's destruction began in its heyday | xpostfactoid

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By and large Detroit is too dumb to diversify and move on such as Pittsburgh did. This will **** people off but its the truth.
Ah, but Pittsburg was Detroit twenty years ago, but does Detroit have a Carnegie Mellon, or a University of Pittsburg to anchor economic diversity? I think not.

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Short of changing the populations demographics there is no large scale fix for Detroit and never will be.
What a little reverse ethnic cleansing perhaps?
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Old 05-27-2015, 04:05 PM
 
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Well that's a rather thinly veiled slander (trying to be polite)

Of course redlining, and blockbusting had nothing to do with the destruction of Detroit's tax base:

The Origins of the Urban Crisis: Race and Inequality in Postwar Detroit (Princeton Studies in American Politics: Historical, International, and Comparative Perspectives): Thomas J. Sugrue: 9780691121864: Amazon.com: Books

Detroit's destruction began in its heyday | xpostfactoid



Ah, but Pittsburg was Detroit twenty years ago, but does Detroit have a Carnegie Mellon, or a University of Pittsburg to anchor economic diversity? I think not.



What a little reverse ethnic cleansing perhaps?
From what I've observed, there are plenty of success stories that originated in Detroit, including today. The problem is that most of the success stories end up moving to the suburbs. So you don't have a recipe for sustained success.
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Old 05-27-2015, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Do you want to pretend that the massive spending and policies pushed by the Democrats over the last 25% of Bushs tenure (when the crash started) never happened? Do you want to pretend that the country didn't start to turn around until AFTER the Democrats lost control of Congress and couldn't continue their massive spending spree?
The Crash started before Democrats took over congress.
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Old 05-27-2015, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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And have them make the mortgage payments from earnings from what jobs? Detroit has a JOBS problem first and foremost.
im assuming you missed the word "free"
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