Karl Marx - The Ultimate Limousine Liberal (enemies, solution, ideology)

[Opin_Yunated]

That sounds better than being born into wealth and being conservative.

"Bootstraps...."

[O.C. Ogilvy]

Originally Posted by Spatula City

That's why they weren't really communist.

That is a "no true Scotsman" fallacy and typical of the communist apologists.

[blind melon]

Originally Posted by O.C. Ogilvy

That is a "no true Scotsman" fallacy and typical of the communist apologists.

You quoted Marx and have no idea what he meant even after it was explained to you

[O.C. Ogilvy]

Originally Posted by blind melon

You quoted Marx and have no idea what he meant even after it was explained to you

I know what Marx meant, but I disagree that the current communist countries aren't really communist.

[TrexDigit]

Originally Posted by O.C. Ogilvy

That is a "no true Scotsman" fallacy and typical of the communist apologists.

Originally Posted by O.C. Ogilvy

I know what Marx meant, but I disagree that the current communist countries aren't really communist.

- Said no one even remotely educated on econ theory.

Please don't tell me you think the US is true capitalism as well.

[O.C. Ogilvy]

Originally Posted by TrexDigit

- Said no one even remotely educated on econ theory.

I am well versed n Economics and have the grades to prove it. Unlike Obama, my transcript is open to anyone who is seriously interested.

[TrexDigit]

Originally Posted by O.C. Ogilvy

I am well versed n Economics and have the grades to prove it. Unlike Obama, my transcript is open to anyone who is seriously interested.

Then you really have no excuse to be so confused.

[blind melon]

Originally Posted by O.C. Ogilvy

I know what Marx meant, but I disagree that the current communist countries aren't really communist.

You just contradicted yourself.

[Spatula City]

Originally Posted by O.C. Ogilvy

I know what Marx meant, but I disagree that the current communist countries aren't really communist.

Communist societies are stateless and classless.
None of the nations you've brought up are classless or stateless.
Therefore, they are not Communist.

It's that simple.

Just because you refuse to understand what Communism is, it doesn't change the meaning of the term.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by Spatula City

Communist societies are stateless and classless.
None of the nations you've brought up are classless or stateless.
Therefore, they are not Communist.

It's that simple.

Just because you refuse to understand what Communism is, it doesn't change the meaning of the term.

Exactly. The nations of Cuba, Vietnam and China had different historical developments when deciding to go communist. Their nations were bombarded from the onset with civil war, economic blockade, lack of international political support, terrorism, and sabotage. Any nation would be a basket case after all that. Each nation also has an individual development, some good and some terrible. A lot of those nations became corrupt and utterly paranoid. Some like the Khmer Rouge were outright evil but they were stopped by the Vietnamese.

The history of communism isn't some monolithic good vs evil comic book fantasy. Just like the history of capitalism is varied with the sucess of the USA or the terror of the early French revolution which ended up in dictatorship with Bonaparte. Did the french give up on liberal democracy or republicanism? No.

I think its disrngenous that cons treat every socialist country as though it were Nazi Germany.

But it's useless to try and bring nuance to conservatives. They only accept the comic book version of history and can't grasp the fact that most of the world is capitalist and most of the world is poor.