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Old 05-30-2015, 10:43 AM
 
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Where are the usual suspects saying that it's only fair old people should get limited care because they're old and will die soon anyway. That's something I've read from our young, braindead cd leftists here repeatedly over the years. They believe they are the center of the universe, not older, wiser, more experienced and productive people.
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Old 05-30-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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Where are the usual suspects saying that it's only fair old people should get limited care because they're old and will die soon anyway. That's something I've read from our young, braindead cd leftists here repeatedly over the years. They believe they are the center of the universe, not older, wiser, more experienced and productive people.
There does come a point where others shouldn't be responsible for your continued care. (I'm not "young")
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Old 05-30-2015, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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So who should have priority for an organ transplant a ninety five year old or a twenty year old?
How about a $1 million heart transplant paid for by Medicare for a former VP with a reported net worth of about $90 million?
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Old 05-30-2015, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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How about a $1 million heart transplant paid for by Medicare for a former VP with a reported net worth of about $90 million?
How about he is the exception rather than the rule.. I somehow think if I needed the same, I wouldn't get it.
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Old 05-30-2015, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Retired
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How about a $1 million heart transplant paid for by Medicare for a former VP with a reported net worth of about $90 million?
Absolutely, the young healthy transplanted heart should have been transferred to a young person. DC should have gotten a heart from an older accident victim. Same with Mickey Mantle getting a liver - which he killed the new one too with continued drinking. "Celebrities" should not get any priority.
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Old 05-30-2015, 10:59 AM
 
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There has been for a long time. If you are 64 with no insurance no private hospital will touch you. As soon as you reach the magic age of 65 you become eligible for all kinds of treatments.
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Old 05-30-2015, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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"Elderly people will be treated like second-class citizens and denied medical care under new UN targets which give priority to saving the lives of young people. The NHS could be led to discriminate against the over 70s to meet ‘highly unethical’ UN health targets which seek to reduce premature deaths in younger people, senior medics have warned. Under the proposed Sustainable Development Goals, UN member states will be given targets to cut the number of deaths from diseases like cancer, stroke, diabetes and dementia by one third by 2030. However because many are age-related illnesses people who succumb to those diseases from the age of 70 are not deemed to have died prematurely and so are not included in the target...If the target was met, around 42,000 lives would be saved each year for the under 70s. However if older people were included in the target an extra 130,000 lives would be saved. "

Elderly face NHS discrimination under new UN death targets - Telegraph

The UK article then goes on to say there is already age discrimination in surgery and cancer care.

Now, it could be that this new thing is normal UN posturing where they set some lofty goals and countries just ignore them so, it's nothing to get excited about. They have zero enforcement clout...unless some country's leader gives it to them.

It could also make a heck of an election issue seeing as how older people vote in large numbers and the UN's plans will materialize by the end of this year.
Most of the diseases mentioned for a targeted reduction over 30 years are behavior related. Overweight/ obesity are major contributing factors to Heart Disease, some Cancers, some strokes and most Diabetes- Type 2. Same deal for smoking.

I can foresee a future point in time whereby healthcare insurance premiums will be determined by waist sizes or perhaps most MDs will decline to treat patients with discretionary habits. Why should healthcare practitioners care more about their patient so healthcare outcomes than their patients do?

Fighting obesity through education is a national healthcare priority in many countries , all over the world. In the U.S. fLOTUS is often condemned for making childhood obesity her project.
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Old 05-30-2015, 11:09 AM
 
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Leftist ageism is an ugly thing but not terribly surprising consider the ugly nature of leftists in general.
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Old 05-30-2015, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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The article's, and C-D posters', jump from the UN's unbinding Sustainable Development Goals to death panels is remarkable.
It is akin to saying that you kill an old person each time you donate to the St Judes Children's Hospital.

Sustainable Development Goals:
"Under the proposed Sustainable Development Goals, UN member states will be given targets to cut the number of deaths from diseases like cancer, stroke, diabetes and dementia by one third by 2030."
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Old 05-30-2015, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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20 year olds aren't dying with any regularity because 95 year olds are taking all the organs. They are dying regularly because they become an organ donor.
Organs are donated because the dead no longer have use for them. The top three killers of 20 year olds:

Unintentional injuries ( usually car accidents)

Homicide

Suicide
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