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Old 06-02-2015, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Statism is by definition progressive leftist. And you know full well the paleoconservative right doesn't want Big Government.

And if those same leftists can't figure out why their giant big Government doesn't have their best interests in mind, then that's why I'm here to teach them.
Is Iran a progressive country?

And sure, there are conservatives who don't want big government, but how many of them are in office? And of course, guys like Ted Cruz can claim whatever they want, but they're just as statist as Obama, just in a different direction.
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Old 06-02-2015, 11:16 AM
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Is Iran a progressive country?

And sure, there are conservatives who don't want big government, but how many of them are in office? And of course, guys like Ted Cruz can claim whatever they want, but they're just as statist as Obama, just in a different direction.
Iran, like Syria, is a Shiite country that--like the former Libya--has no ties to central banking and is presently the focus of a concerted progressive-leftist attempt to topple its stable civilization.

The leftist-ordered stand-down in Benghazi was used to arm ISIS which is being used by the leftist, adventurist Obama administration as proxy fighters in the region, because Congress didn't let ~O~ roll over al-Assad two years ago by more conventional means.
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Old 06-02-2015, 11:19 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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If that means spending billions in the middle east that is.

There ain't nothing wrong with being a Norway or a Sweden and the right knows it.
Really? We "know it?"

I doubt you know the origin of the term "American exceptionalism."
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Old 06-02-2015, 11:22 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Bull....we ARE exceptional..and should be exceptional. We just need a leader who believes in us and America. That's all.
Exactly right!
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Old 06-02-2015, 11:23 AM
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Exactly right!
It's why everyone came here, why everyone wanted to be an American in the first place.

Immature, leftist theory control freaks want to turn the place into a feudalist series of collectives, and think they'll still be able to replace their broken iPads and write dissertations in coffee houses afterward.
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Old 06-02-2015, 03:52 PM
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Location: Suburban Dallas
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We can be exceptional without spending billions on an industrial war complex.

However, we can't be exceptional if we have people who think that we are when the evidence suggests otherwise. We're not longer the greatest nation on Earth. We've fallen behind, and the sad irony is, the people who still think we're the inventors of freedom (or whatever the deluded think) are the main reason we are lagging behind. They think we don't need to change, but we desperately do.
To what? A third-world country?

No, thanks.
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Old 06-02-2015, 04:18 PM
 
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The first one bankrupted us (and the rest of Europe). We did alright in the second as we waited for an excuse to get involved, as few were interested in military conflict prior to Pearl Harbor. I'd argue the Soviets did more in terms of defeating Germany, but we did aid in the liberation of France, along with England who was the only nation Germany had invaded without occupying any of it's land.

England has industrialized several decades before us as well. The train was invented in the US towards the end of the 18th century, though the first fully functional rail system was built in a decade later, in England.

Hate to let you in on this, but England was the greatest empire on the planet all the way into the early 1900s. America took it's place when WWII broke out, and held it for much of the Cold War. It's debatable who has it now. We may still have the most influence, but anyone who thinks we are a good country is not very good themselves.
The US and the UK had different agenda's. We were building a country so we can really compare Apples to apples here. However the UK did have expensive conflict like the Bore War and the Crimean War. By the First WW1 were defiantly weaken

The English and French lost Millions of men in the trenches.

However , if it was not US intervention in WW2 England would of been over ran by Operation Sea lion.

The US provided the Industrial might what the Russians and Allies need. (Lend Lease).

It remains if it was not for the US we would have a totally different landscape.
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Old 06-02-2015, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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The US and the UK had different agenda's. We were building a country so we can really compare Apples to apples here. However the UK did have expensive conflict like the Bore War and the Crimean War. By the First WW1 were defiantly weaken

The English and French lost Millions of men in the trenches.

However , if it was not US intervention in WW2 England would of been over ran by Operation Sea lion.

The US provided the Industrial might what the Russians and Allies need. (Lend Lease).

It remains if it was not for the US we would have a totally different landscape.
WWI, probably, but the Soviet's milestone victory in Stalingrad had nothing to do with the US, so I don't agree at all the Hitler would not have been stopped if not for US intervention. We were quite influential in Japan as we were pretty much the only Western power that took any interest in the far East.

And so what if we were building a country? We were a work in progress, that doesn't change the fact that the Great Britain industrialized several decades before us and was undeniably the largest and most influential power on Earth for well over a century. You half to understand, that in terms of size, the height of the English empire was in the 1930s.

Facts are facts, the US wasn't even a contender for most powerful nation on Earth until WWII. We had it through the Cold War, but all the evidence suggests that we're loosing it. As to who will take our place, I have no idea. Perhaps if the European Union sorts out if economic problems, that entity will.
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Old 06-02-2015, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The only thing 'exceptional' about the US is that all of the western industrialized countries provide health care to its citizens 'except' the US.

The 50s are well in the past. Get over it.
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Old 06-02-2015, 05:44 PM
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The only thing 'exceptional' about the US is that all of the western industrialized countries provide health care to its citizens 'except' the US.

The 50s are well in the past. Get over it.
You can have 'health care' or a job. One or the other.

Europeans are still wincing from their choice.
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