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Old 06-08-2015, 09:54 AM
 
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Who's greedy? Look to the 100 million or more American workers expecting to actually receive their pensions or retirement account proceeds.
*Expect*. Why is it you can expect something from the government but others can't? We keep on coming back to that. Investments were never intended to be a guarantee of anything.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:55 AM
 
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I was in sales. Interest rates were 10% plus and the economy was in a downturn. We were in a recession.
I lived through that recession, too. Didn't need food stamps. You were living beyond your means. Period.
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:57 AM
 
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*Expect*. Why is it you can expect something from the government but others can't?
It wasn't help. It was a PPT response.
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Investments were never intended to be a guarantee of anything.
So tell me why union pension programs have their funds in investments?
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Old 06-08-2015, 09:59 AM
 
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So tell me why union pension programs have their funds in investments?
I care less why. Bury it under a tree. Buy magic beans with it. Just don't ask me to replace it when you lose it.
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Old 06-08-2015, 10:00 AM
 
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I lived through that recession, too. Didn't need food stamps. You were living beyond your means. Period.
And I didn't need bailed out. You were simply poor with your money.
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Old 06-08-2015, 10:11 AM
 
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I care less why.
Which is exactly why your opinion is irrelevant...
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Old 06-08-2015, 10:14 AM
 
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And I didn't need bailed out. You were simply poor with your money.
Not sure why you're attacking me. I haven't lost anything.
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Old 06-08-2015, 10:15 AM
 
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Not sure why you're attacking me. I haven't lost anything.
I'm attacking your gross hypocrisy.
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Old 06-08-2015, 12:44 PM
 
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Exactly. You get it. It's amazing how many people (usually liberals) don't. It's as if liberals have no idea whatsoever how the growth of 100 million or more American workers' and retirees' pension and retirement accounts are funded, which enables them to even retire at all.

Where should I put my retirement money? - Ultimate Guide to Retirement

Even PUBLIC sector union pensions are heavily invested in corporate shares and depend on corporate profits to fund union members' pensions:
https://www.calpers.ca.gov/index.jsp...ities/home.xml
I like how you quote the 100 million or so Americans whose future retirements are desperately dependent on those companies for their retirement......

While ignoring that the median amount in those 401K's and very rare pensions is under 19K-insignificant for retirement. The majority of Americans do not have significant money in the markets. Point of fact, something like 25%(rough estimate +-5%) of us have a negative wealth amount.
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Old 06-08-2015, 02:19 PM
 
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What I do realize is that we already have corporate socialism. Taxpayers are subsidizing Walmart's low wages in the form of welfare. Which is why I said let them raise the minimum wage and get rid of social welfare altogether. Then no one is paying any welfare.

The flip side is that as an average person, all my retirement funds are tied up in these same corporations which exist only to generate a profit for the shareholders. Me. And so by cutting out their profit margin, I cut out my earnings.

But that's okay, I'll get them back when my taxes are reduced because I won't be responsible for providing income to my neighbor who laid on her back several times (who unluckily for me, despite all the free healthcare she has access to, she forgot birth control).

It's my money. I earn it. I want to choose how to spend it, donate it or save it.
Which is why I say get rid of the minimum wage and social welfare. Why make employers pay more than market value? And by raising minimum wage, you're still rewarding the lazy breeder that doesn't have the skills to earn 2 cents, let alone 2 dollars. And you might pay less in taxes, but the cost of goods will go through the roof. You still don't get to decide how to spend it.
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