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It indicated there were surface spills around wells from fracking but it did not indicate the details, yes there can be contamination of aquifers from fracking operations. Also from the report there are around 30,000 wells each year over a 4 year period, how many inspectors do they have. The truth is there is no oversight, not enough resources and there have been spills but I guess we need to wait and look in the rearview mirror for a major aquifer to be destroyed.
If you read through the report there have been issues but too many unknowns, this industry has no regulation.
I guess anyone that wants to protect our drinking water is a Nazi, just be honest you could care less if you destroyed a water resource as long as it didn't impact your profits
The surface spills are surface spills, they happen when wells are drilled they are not specifically associated with fracking they are associated with well construction, that's why they didn't "indicate any details". They have nothing to do with the fracking process, you are obviously clueless on the subject so you display your ignorance when you attempt to discuss operations that are foreign to you. Only a fool would say the industry has no regulation, there are thousands of pages of regulations but then you would of course not know anything about that either. Every thing you post on this subject is just a meaningless noise.
It is astounding how these Hollywood people that can't spell CAT with a dictionary in their hands become so expert in highly technical and complex fields.
I haven't kept up with recent fracking info, but in the past frackers were refusing to tell us what chemicals they were sending down deep into the cracks that could get into our aquifers and wells. Has the safety of those secret chemicals been revealed and researched now?
The thing is (and I'm a studying geologist and know a little bit about this) is that fracking is done so deep in the ground that there is almost always an impermeable (meaning fluid cannot pass through) layer of rock between the actual fracking site and the aquifer.
Even if the chemicals used could be harmful, they really don't have a way to reach the water source.
[quote=mountainrose;39901513]Whoa !! LOL Maybe you need to switch to decaf?
Last I saw, 60 minutes and others were showing people's water catching on fire coming out of their kitchen faucet. And we were told the fracking companies refused to give out the chemicals they were using.
So I'm not up to speed. Perhaps some kind updating would have served you better than personally attacking people you know nothing about.
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Would you like an update on the two items above?
First, about people being able to light their water taps. That's true, but it was also true before any wells were fracture treated. In fact, there is a State park in New York with a "Burning Spring" discovered by Sieur Lasalle in something like 1685. In certain regions, having methane in your aquifers is a natural thing; we may "stir it up" while drilling an oil or gas well through the aquifer (making the methane problems temporarily worse) but the same can be said for water well drilling.
As to service companies not releasing the recipes for their additives, it is not true that they won't tell you what chemicals they are using; instead they are not making public their proprietary recipes for the various additives. This is exactly what Coke does, you can find out what ingredients they use but the RECIPE is a closely guarded secret. Someone mentioned Frac Focus; it is a website that describes the Fracture treating process and list a number of chemical that can be included and the purpose for each. Some of the chemicals are pretty darned dangerous; toxic, corrosive and so on, but a surprising number of them are common substance we use every day, including a few we regularly eat.
I would not mind having a water well that also delivered a useful amount of methane. I would just separate the two and run the water through a treatment system and make heat/electricity with the methane. Fresh water and free fuel.
Last I saw, 60 minutes and others were showing people's water catching on fire coming out of their kitchen faucet. And we were told the fracking companies refused to give out the chemicals they were using.
So I'm not up to speed. Perhaps some kind updating would have served you better than personally attacking people you know nothing about.
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Would you like an update on the two items above?
First, about people being able to light their water taps. That's true, but it was also true before any wells were fracture treated. In fact, there is a State park in New York with a "Burning Spring" discovered by Sieur Lasalle in something like 1685. In certain regions, having methane in your aquifers is a natural thing; we may "stir it up" while drilling an oil or gas well through the aquifer (making the methane problems temporarily worse) but the same can be said for water well drilling.
As to service companies not releasing the recipes for their additives, it is not true that they won't tell you what chemicals they are using; instead they are not making public their proprietary recipes for the various additives. This is exactly what Coke does, you can find out what ingredients they use but the RECIPE is a closely guarded secret. Someone mentioned Frac Focus; it is a website that describes the Fracture treating process and list a number of chemical that can be included and the purpose for each. Some of the chemicals are pretty darned dangerous; toxic, corrosive and so on, but a surprising number of them are common substance we use every day, including a few we regularly eat.
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Thanks for taking the time to respond to those questions. This thread has some good links on both sides.
It's hard to keep up with all the technical info on whether fracking is safe.
I had no idea that it's causing a large increase in earthquakes. This link was posted up thread, and I was shocked it hasn't been talked about in the news, as the sources seem very credible, and the scientists seem to agree.
Is there a way to stop it from causing so many earthquakes? And if fracking has been going on for decades, why is there just now such a huge increase in earthquakes -- OK went from 3 earthquakes a year to almost three a day now. So, are they doing it in a different way now that rattles the earth more?
Thanks
Fracking causes earthquakes: Scientists certain that drilling is causing earthquakes
The surface spills are surface spills, they happen when wells are drilled they are not specifically associated with fracking they are associated with well construction, that's why they didn't "indicate any details". They have nothing to do with the fracking process, you are obviously clueless on the subject so you display your ignorance when you attempt to discuss operations that are foreign to you. Only a fool would say the industry has no regulation, there are thousands of pages of regulations but then you would of course not know anything about that either. Every thing you post on this subject is just a meaningless noise.
Wells are not part of the fracking operations, very parochial point of view don't you think.
Yes thousands of pages of regulations and maybe 3 inspectors for a few thousand wells in South Dakota, thousands of miles of pipelines, yes the industry is unregulated. They get regulated after a spill not before, please share with me all the enormous fines that have been leveled on companies that had spills.
I know you don't know of any spills in Texas therefore none occurred, maybe you should start by reading some of the stories by newspapers rather than living in your small world.
FTA:The study, more than four years in the making, said the EPA has found no signs of “widespread, systemic” drinking water pollution from hydraulic fracturing.
Time for the left to end it's anti-science crusade against fracking. Fracking is good. New York state should reverse its silly ban on fracking and let gas production soar.
The "left" was never "anti-science" on this issue. What they were anti on was black bag operations where when asked what was being pumped into the ground - they got no answer except trust us - it is nothing to be concerned about.
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