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Old 06-07-2015, 10:08 PM
 
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You sure are doing a lot of whining about a governmental program, which is weird given your "pro government" attitude. in fact, the more you whine about Medicare, the more you push the notion ACA shouldnt have been passed to begin with.

Bravo, on finally coming to the conclusion some of us knew years ago. I know, some are slow and need a helping hand.
I'm fine with Obamacare and Medicare. Or end Medicare and Obamacare. I know you are slow and need a helping hand but I've repeated that enough for you to get it by now.

Medicare is grossly underfunded. That means those of us that work are paying for you Medicare recipients and you know it. You can have a voucher if you haven't spent your contribution already. Otherwise, it's time for you to pay for your own coverage.
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Old 06-07-2015, 10:12 PM
 
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I am a democrat and I agree with the Washington post article for the most part. My biggest disagreement is that this isn't a problem caused by liberals. Its caused by both sides. The moment I started working for myself I saw the real problem with our tax structure. EVERYONE gets somethin and EVERYONE thinks they deserve it. I started seeing all of the little tax brakes I get as a sole proprietor. The truth is everyone claims they want a more efficient and fair tax code but no trust anyone else. No one wants to be the loser an there will be losers. This is a problem we are all perpetuating. I would welcome A flat income tax that taxed ALL income. I would welcome a flat sales tax that taxed ALL sales. We will never have that because someone will complain that their investment income should be tax free, there bible should not be taxed or there vital non prepared food should not be taxed. I say, implement a flat tax and make every American pay the same rate with NO deductions.
I'm fine with that and include churches especially. Look at the lengths Scientology went to be declared a religion to save tax dollars. And we know churches today are as political as it gets - they should be taxed like any other business.
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Old 06-08-2015, 06:10 AM
 
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Either you have all this money or you don't. I'm guessing the latter. With means testing, you wouldn't get squat anyway
Medicare isn't means-tested. (Nor is the required Medicare premium payment capped at a certain income as is SS.) You're thinking Medicaid. That's means-tested, and Medicaid recipients need never have paid even one thin dime into the system to be eligible for Medicaid, unlike the contribution requirements necessary for Medicare eligibility.

Medicare will never be means-tested despite occasional rumblings to the contrary because quite a lot of people have paid significant amounts of money in Medicare premiums over the decades of their working careers.
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Old 06-08-2015, 06:12 AM
 
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You cannot be for real. Seniors knew Medicare Part D was not funded. It was very clearly stated at the time. Where were their protests then? Total silence and the self-satisfied smiles of seniors getting medication at rock bottom prices.

But they hear that those younger might finally be able to get coverage and they load up into buses with signs.
Seems fair to have the younger people contribute to a federal medical insurance program for decades before benefits eligibility, just as the seniors have done for their eligibility.
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Old 06-08-2015, 06:20 AM
 
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I actually was in many discussion during the time ACA was being discussed thru all the various suggestions and immediate hatred being spread by some who felt "Why should anyone expect to have medical coverage anyway?

Back then, Liberal's were pushing for "Single Payer System"..and Yikes..Explosion of reactions by the Right ( even tho that was in their suggestions in their "Think Tanks") Then..even tho at the time Democrats had majority in both houses..They compromised (dirty word for GOP) ( probably due to Lobbyists from you know Capitalist/ Insurance and Pharmaceutical Companies)..So then single payer went down the drain....

At the time, I tried to explain what Single was and how it works..But was basically told to Go Fly A Kite by You know Who/LOL..called all sorts of names "Socialist" only one of them. Anyway, Economists, IF they put on their hats could/can figure it out..It's basically "Medicare for ALL" in a nutshell. but in this (USA) case would mean Every American would be inputting towards it...That way..Every American had access..IF that had of happened..Medicare/Medicaid would become Moot!!
That's exactly how European countries fund their social programs, including part or all of their national health care programs. However, by necessity, it would turn our progressive tax system into a REGRESSIVE tax system like the European countries have. Do you think Americans would be on board with switching our federal tax system from progressive to regressive, in which the most tax burden would be borne by low- and middle-income earners?

Pay specific attention to the Tax Progressivity charts:
Other countries don’t have a “47%” - The Washington Post
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Old 06-08-2015, 06:22 AM
 
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I'm all for single payer.
Are you willing to switch the U.S. to the regressive federal tax system needed to pay for it? Read my post, above.
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Old 06-08-2015, 06:37 AM
 
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You don't blame him for being a bad consumer. I know exactly what my plan covers and what the copays are because that is why I chose the plan I did. I could have gotten a much cheaper plan but the deductibles were too high. Your carpenter is an idiot for assuming xrays and blood test were part of his physical. If they were his primary care doctor would have performed them right there in the room. His doctor was quite clever in that he found a good mark.
He was an idiot for believing Obama and the Democrats would deliver anything even close to resembling "affordable" health care.

Your last sentence makes no sense. Had the doctor performed the tests and x-ray at his own facility, he would have earned even more money. The tests and x-ray were outsourced.
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Old 06-08-2015, 06:41 AM
 
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This is a problem we are all perpetuating. I would welcome A flat income tax that taxed ALL income. I would welcome a flat sales tax that taxed ALL sales. ...I say, implement a flat tax and make every American pay the same rate with NO deductions.
I agree with certain limitations. As a sole proprietor, I'm sure you can agree it would be necessary to deduct business expenses from gross revenue. I'm quite sure you'd be unwilling to pay a flat tax rate on 100% of your gross revenue.
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Old 06-08-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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Are you willing to switch the U.S. to the regressive federal tax system needed to pay for it? Read my post, above.
I think the person you quoted is a millennial, voted for obama and is really really really really mad everything is not free....
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Old 06-08-2015, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Kentucky is screwed: Kentucky Hospitals Say They Will Lose $1 Billion Due to State

What's worse I am an Alaskan and we have a 2-3 billion budget deficit. The moonbats are screaming to bring Obamacare into the state. FREE MONEY they say. ObamaCare would be the death blow but you can't get that through their heads. Someone says free and as long as they don't pay taxes it's "free". Well, free is over and taxes are coming.
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