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Old 06-07-2015, 12:08 PM
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Even more are getting needed care that was out of reach for them before this. There has been good and bad. But now we have tried the conservative-authored plan and it has not met our expectations, it is high time that we go about getting tax-funded national health insurance in place. We are a good 100 years behind the rest of the world on this.
The law was inspired by the neocon (aka leftist Republican/Rockefeller Republican) Heritage, by neocon Romney (photographed at a PP fundy with Nicki Nichols Gamble):
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...and by the now imprisoned former Massachusetts House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi (Dem), and Mass. Senate President Therese Murray (Dem).

And only the Dems in Congress voted it into law.

And the unemployed of socialist Paris and Brixton still flood their streets in protest of their joblessness at the hands of their European nanny states.
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Old 06-07-2015, 12:10 PM
 
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The law was inspired by the neocon (aka leftist Republican/Rockefeller Republican) Heritage, by neocon Romney (photographed at a PP fundy with Nicki Nichols Gamble):
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...and by the now imprisoned former Massachusetts House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi (Dem), and Mass. Senate President Therese Murray.

And the unemployed of socialist Paris and Brixton still flood their streets in protest of their joblessness at the hands of the state.
If it was so bad, why did the dems vote it in?
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Old 06-07-2015, 12:13 PM
 
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Insurance CEO's are very content with the ACA. What a sweetheart deal they got.
Last article I read on insurance company stock prices said these stocks had quadrupled since the ACA became law. Sweet deal for the insurance CEOs indeed.
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Old 06-07-2015, 12:14 PM
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Last article I read on insurance company stock prices said these stocks had quadrupled since the ACA became law. Sweet deal for the insurance CEOs indeed.
And for the hospital corporations that are guaranteed a revenue stream at whatever price they decide to raise to for services.

Oh gosh, our provider and devices costs went up. We also need a fancy new wing. Guess everyone is just going to have to pay. Their carriers will pass along our costs.
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Old 06-07-2015, 12:22 PM
 
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Don't know how many times, but the warnings are pretty much meaningless.

Healthcare premiums have gone up every year since the 70s. Blame the health insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry.
Exactly. And Medicare recipients don't and haven't paid anywhere near what they are getting back in benefits. If Obamacare should end, so should Medicare. Give Medicare recipients a voucher and make them pay the rest on the open market as they should.

As long as you have health care coverage handled by companies that are beholden to stock holders, they will need to see an increase in revenues every single year. Those health insurance companies live and die by profit.
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Old 06-07-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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Don't know how many times, but the warnings are pretty much meaningless.

Healthcare premiums have gone up every year since the 70s. Blame the health insurance companies and the pharmaceutical industry.
Ahh yes, now all of a sudden the excuses for it not falling $2500 per family is that its always gone up.

FAIL..
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Old 06-07-2015, 12:25 PM
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Healthcare premiums have gone up every year since the 70s.
They didn't before Ted's HMO Act of 1973 encouraged usage for specious, regular "maintenance," while making habitual users of it oblivious to their impacts on the costs of delivery by routing their bills, sight unseen, direct to the HR offices of their increasingly beseiged employers.

Guess there's no free lunch after all.
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Old 06-07-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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Even more are getting needed care that was out of reach for them before this. There has been good and bad.
Except that isnt true. The number of uninsured is about where we started, and 30 million are NEVER planning to get insurance
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Old 06-07-2015, 12:30 PM
 
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Exactly. And Medicare recipients don't and haven't paid anywhere near what they are getting back in benefits. If Obamacare should end, so should Medicare. Give Medicare recipients a voucher and make them pay the rest on the open market as they should.

As long as you have health care coverage handled by companies that are beholden to stock holders, they will need to see an increase in revenues every single year. Those health insurance companies live and die by profit.
First, Medicare isnt the topic of the thread, so no matter how many times you try to compare the two, its not even close, and second, Medicare contracts their services out to the very same "companies" that you just attacked under obamacare, while applauding medicare.
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Old 06-07-2015, 12:30 PM
 
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They didn't before Ted's HMO Act of 1973 encouraged usage for specious, regular "maintenance," while making habitual users of it oblivious to their impacts on the costs of delivery by routing their bills, sight unseen, direct to the HR offices of their increasingly beseiged employers.

Guess there's no free lunch after all.
There shouldn't be a free lunch and Medicare recipients are getting an unlimited buffet.

The amount that American workers have paid and are paying into Medicare isn’t enough to fund all the benefits that are being paid out to seniors under Medicare...Senator Tom Coburn (a physician in private life) has estimated that the average American couple contributes approximately $110,000 to Medicare over their working careers and receives over $330,000 of Medicare benefits. On Feb. 20, USA Today cited Urban Institute data pegging those same figures at $88,000 and $387,000, respectively.

Did You Really Pay For Your Medicare Benefits? - Forbes
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