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Old 06-15-2015, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I wonder why it wasn't replicated? I wonder if they had trouble getting funding for such a study?
Not replicated means the results weren't reproducible, not that the study wasn't done again. Maybe it was tried many times again and not replicated. Believe me, researchers have been trying to solve this whooping cough problem for years now. I doubt very much they had trouble getting funding if they were making some progress.

 
Old 06-15-2015, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
Kemp T1, Pearce N, Fitzharris P, Crane J, Fergusson D, St George I, Wickens K, Beasley R.
Author information
Abstract
The Christchurch Health and Development Study comprises 1,265 children born in 1977. The 23 children who received no diphtheria/pertussis/tetanus (DPT) and polio immunizations had no recorded asthma episodes or consultations for asthma or other allergic illness before age 10 years; in the immunized children, 23.1% had asthma episodes, 22.5% asthma consultations, and 30.0% consultations for other allergic illness. Similar differences were observed at ages 5 and 16 years. These findings do not appear to be due to differential use of health services (although this possibility cannot be excluded) or con-founding by ethnicity, socioeconomic status, parental atopy, or parental smoking.

PMID: 9345669 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy? - PubMed - NCBI
 
Old 06-15-2015, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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A case series of children with apparent mercury toxic encephalopathies manifesting with clinical symptoms of regressive autistic disorders.
Impairments in social relatedness and communication, repetitive behaviors, and stereotypic abnormal movement patterns characterize autism spectrum disorders (ASDs). It is clear that while genetic factors are important to the pathogenesis of ASDs, mercury exposure can induce immune, sensory, neurological, motor, and behavioral dysfunctions similar to traits defining or associated with ASDs. The Institutional Review Board of the Institute for Chronic Illnesses (Office for Human Research Protections, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, IRB number IRB00005375) approved the present study. A case series of nine patients who presented to the Genetic Centers of America for a genetic/developmental evaluation are discussed. Eight of nine patients (one patient was found to have an ASD due to Rett's syndrome) (a) had regressive ASDs; (b) had elevated levels of androgens; (c) excreted significant amounts of mercury post chelation challenge; (d) had biochemical evidence of decreased function in their glutathione pathways; (e) had no known significant mercury exposure except from Thimerosal-containing vaccines/Rho(D)-immune globulin preparations; and (f) had alternate causes for their regressive ASDs ruled out. There was a significant dose-response relationship between the severity of the regressive ASDs observed and the total mercury dose children received from Thimerosal-containing vaccines/Rho (D)-immune globulin preparations. Based upon differential diagnoses, 8 of 9 patients examined were exposed to significant mercury from Thimerosal-containing biologic/vaccine preparations during their fetal/infant developmental periods, and subsequently, between 12 and 24 mo of age, these previously normally developing children suffered mercury toxic encephalopathies that manifested with clinical symptoms consistent with regressive ASDs. Evidence for mercury intoxication should be considered in the differential diagnosis as contributing to some regressive ASDs.

A case series of children with apparent mercury toxic encephalopathies manifesting with clinical symptoms of regressive autistic disorders. - PubMed - NCBI

No wonder they removed it from the MMR but....not the flu shot.

Do the 2014-2015 seasonal flu vaccines contain thimerosal?

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved several formulations of the seasonal flu vaccine, including multi-dose vials and single-dose units. (See Table of Approved Influenza Vaccines for the U.S. 2014–2015 Season.) Since seasonal influenza vaccine is produced in large quantities for annual vaccination campaigns, some of the vaccine is produced in multi-dose vials, and contains thimerosal to safeguard against possible contamination of the vial once it is opened.


Guess what, yes, the CDC recommends kids get the flu shot yearly now.
Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) voted on its annual influenza vaccine recommendations. For 2015-2016, ACIP recommends annual influenza vaccination for everyone 6 months and older with either LAIV or IIV, with no preference expressed for either vaccine when either one is otherwise appropriate.
Children, the Flu, and the Flu Vaccine | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Will those be mandated? Eventually if not already?
 
Old 06-15-2015, 12:14 PM
 
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That's baloney!
I could show the conversation if you'd like. The person who defended the Malawi's government's decision to round people up and vaccinate them against their will isn't in denial about what she said.
 
Old 06-15-2015, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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There never was any thimerosal in MMR! It's a preservative that kills germs. It would have killed the live virus.

And for the nth time, Thimerosal-free flu vaccine is available and it is about 3/4 of the market. No one has to get a flu shot with Thimerosal if they don't want it.
 
Old 06-15-2015, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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"Together with an inflammatory reaction, influenza A vaccine induced platelet activation and sympathovagal imbalance towards adrenergic predominance. Significant correlations were found between CRP levels and HRV parameters, suggesting a pathophysiological link between inflammation and cardiac autonomic regulation. The vaccine-related platelet activation and cardiac autonomic dysfunction may transiently increase the risk of cardiovascular events."


"During 2009-2010 they found that the risk of narcolepsy among people aged 4-19 years old who had received pandemic influenza vaccine was nine times higher than that among those who had not been vaccinated."


"In August 2010 concerns were raised in Finland and Sweden about a possible association between narcolepsy and Pandemrix.13 A subsequent cohort study in Finland reported a 13-fold increased risk of narcolepsy after vaccination in children and young people aged 4-19, most of whom had onset within three months after vaccination and almost all within six months"
WHO | Statement on narcolepsy and vaccination
"The increased risk of narcolepsy after vaccination with ASO3 adjuvanted pandemic A/H1N1 2009 vaccine indicates a causal association, consistent with findings from Finland."

Risk of narcolepsy in children and young people receiving AS03 adjuvanted pandemic A/H1N1 2009 influenza vaccine: retrospective analysis | The BMJ
 
Old 06-15-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Katarina Witt View Post
There never was any thimerosal in MMR! It's a preservative that kills germs. It would have killed the live virus.

And for the nth time, Thimerosal-free flu vaccine is available and it is about 3/4 of the market. No one has to get a flu shot with Thimerosal if they don't want it.
People choose Thimerosal because of its great taste!
 
Old 06-15-2015, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Originally Posted by Katarina Witt View Post
There never was any thimerosal in MMR! It's a preservative that kills germs. It would have killed the live virus.

And for the nth time, Thimerosal-free flu vaccine is available and it is about 3/4 of the market. No one has to get a flu shot with Thimerosal if they don't want it.
Who should not be vaccinated with the nasal spray flu vaccine? ( the one without Thirmerosal )

Children younger than 2 years
Adults 50 years and older
People with a history of severe allergic reaction to any component of the vaccine or to a previous dose of any influenza vaccine
People who are allergic to eggs
Children or adolescents (2 years through 17 years of age) on long-term aspirin treatment.
Pregnant women
People with weakened immune systems (immunosuppression)
Children 2 years through 4 years who have asthma or who have had a history of wheezing in the past 12 months.
People who have taken influenza antiviral drugs within the previous 48 hours.
People who care for severely immunocompromised persons who require a protective environment (or otherwise avoid contact with those persons for 7 days after getting the nasal spray vaccine).
There are also other “warnings and precautions” for the nasal spray flu vaccine. These include:

People of any age with asthma might be at increased risk for wheezing after getting the nasal spray vaccine.
The safety of the nasal spray vaccine has not been established in people with underlying medical conditions that place them at high risk of serious flu complications. This includes children and adults who have lung disease, heart disease (except isolated hypertension), kidney disease (like diabetes), kidney or liver disorders, neurologic/neuromuscular, or metabolic disorders. See “People at High Risk of Developing Flu–Related Complications.” Moderate or severe acute illness with or without fever is a general precaution for vaccination.
Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine [LAIV] (The Nasal Spray Flu Vaccine) | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Are we going to check all kids for this stuff first?
The CDC recommends the one with therm if you can't get this one.

Last edited by PoppySead; 06-15-2015 at 12:35 PM..
 
Old 06-15-2015, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Hyrule
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Acetaminophen use after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination was SIGNIFICANTLY associated with autistic disorder when considering children 5 years of age or less, after limiting cases to children with regression in development and when considering only children who had post-vaccination sequelae adjusting for age, gender, mother's ethnicity, and the presence of illness concurrent with measles-mumps-rubella vaccination. Ibuprofen use after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination was not associated with autistic disorder. This preliminary study found that acetaminophen use after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination was associated with autistic disorder.

Advice on what to do for vaccine related fever or pain.
n Give your child a fever- or pain-reducing medicine such as acetaminophen
(e.g., Tylenol)
http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4015.pdf



 
Old 06-15-2015, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Originally Posted by PoppySead View Post
Who should not be vaccinated with the nasal spray flu vaccine? ( the one without Thirmerosal )

Children younger than 2 years
Adults 50 years and older
People with a history of severe allergic reaction to any component of the vaccine or to a previous dose of any influenza vaccine
People who are allergic to eggs
Children or adolescents (2 years through 17 years of age) on long-term aspirin treatment.
Pregnant women
People with weakened immune systems (immunosuppression)
Children 2 years through 4 years who have asthma or who have had a history of wheezing in the past 12 months.
People who have taken influenza antiviral drugs within the previous 48 hours.
People who care for severely immunocompromised persons who require a protective environment (or otherwise avoid contact with those persons for 7 days after getting the nasal spray vaccine).
There are also other “warnings and precautions” for the nasal spray flu vaccine. These include:

People of any age with asthma might be at increased risk for wheezing after getting the nasal spray vaccine.
The safety of the nasal spray vaccine has not been established in people with underlying medical conditions that place them at high risk of serious flu complications. This includes children and adults who have lung disease, heart disease (except isolated hypertension), kidney disease (like diabetes), kidney or liver disorders, neurologic/neuromuscular, or metabolic disorders. See “People at High Risk of Developing Flu–Related Complications.” Moderate or severe acute illness with or without fever is a general precaution for vaccination.
Live Attenuated Influenza Vaccine [LAIV] (The Nasal Spray Flu Vaccine) | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
Are we going to check all kids for this stuff first?
The CDC recommends the one with therm if you can't get this one.
Flu mist is not the only flu vaccine without Thimerosal. There are single dose vials of inactivated flu vaccine available AS WELL and have been FOR YEARS!

TABLE. Influenza Vaccines — United States, 2014–15 Influenza Season* | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC
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