Vaccines to be forced on you soon (generations, legal, marijuana)

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by saltine

No habla? No SSN? Jumped the fence? A persistant cough sounds like drug resistant TB? No problem. Here's breakfast lunch and an education... Now take a seat next to little johnny.

The guy who came here illegally from Mexico or Central America very likely had all his childhood shots and was vaccinated for TB.

There is a man in the US with extremely drug resistant TB. He's from Peru and here legally.

Originally Posted by Gibsonplayer

There seems to be an obsession with trying to get people vaccinated. Those that are not vaccinated shouldn't post a threat to those that are. So the logic is senseless as to why they want to deny the freedom of those that are anti-vaccine.

See vaccine myth # 2

Myths That Keep People From Vaccinating Their Kids

Originally Posted by Gibsonplayer

Mexico just halted vaccinations due to so many dealths of babies in May. Just goes to show that the modern area has not fixed the problem with vaccinations.

Originally Posted by Gibsonplayer

Mexico just put a halt on vaccinations in May when 2 babies and several others were injured due to vaccinations. Just think if it had been mandatory:

Mexico halts certain vaccinations after 2 children die, 29 are hospitalized - LA Times

Originally Posted by dv1033

Why? It looks like the situation was a bad lot in Mexico.

Others have addressed this. It's dishonest to say the vaccine caused the problem when it did not. Vaccination has resumed.

Baby deaths in southern Mexico not due to vaccines, health official says | Fox News Latino

" 'We can offer a clear and unequivocal conclusion: that the isolated problem that occurred in Chiapas was not due to a faulty vaccine, to anything being wrong with the vaccine,' the director of the Mexican Social Security Institute, or IMSS, Jose Antonio Gonzalez, said at a press conference, adding that the investigation is ongoing.

While other vaccines were administered to the children, the only one that all of the affected infants received was the hepatitis B vaccine, and therefore that has been the focus of the investigation, Gonzalez said.

The Federal Commission for Protection against Sanitary Risk, or Cofepris, analyzed and released the lots the vaccines came from in October of last year, he said, noting that those batches are the source of "tens of thousands of doses that have been administered (since then) in other parts of the country, without any instance of a reaction like this one."

Although only 72 hours have elapsed since the infants were hospitalized, 'we have results from the cultures that are beginning to show the presence of local external contamination, unrelated to the vaccine,' " Gonzalez said Tuesday.

Originally Posted by Gibsonplayer

Many people don't even realize that aborted fetus cells are used in vaccines. Yes, folks as horrid as it sounds those aborted fetuses are BIG Business. I wonder if there has ever been an investigation into kickbacks for doctors that convince a teenage girl to abort so they can sell that fetus to a drug maker or against ER doctors that decide it is not in the best interest of a drug induced woman to give birth to her child so they abort it and use the excuse it would not be growing up in a miserable environment.

The cells used to make some (not all) vaccines come from cells from two abortions done about 35 years ago, neither of which was done just to provide cells to make vaccines. Such cells are grown in a laboratory. Doing an abortion to obtain tissue to make vaccines or solely for any research reason is illegal. No one is convincing anyone to have abortions, and ER doctors do not perform them.

Originally Posted by PoppySead

I think they pay a bit more attention to the 30,000 vaccine injury and death reports a year through VAERS than the pro vax group does.

Probability sort of differs from what your club says. It's amazing your club thinks out of 30.000 reports 29,400 of them are coinkidink. Fantastical low percentages. It's like the science of Magic Mountain. I'm sure you've done the math. Wink, wink, you little math guy you.

Healthcare in America is our 3rd largest killer. But hey, they still give some good advise right? After all it's not like they are making money off ill people. Crack, my bad, they are. Well, you can always sue them.
What? They are immune to lawsuits? Wow, that's so wonderful for them. I don't why that would make anyone question their commitment to health. It has to be their number one priorit.....what!!! It's profit! Well, I guess that's a big companies job in a for profit healthcare system.

But hey, science is like religion, never changes. Variables never come into play. Whatever the science community says has been carved into a stone tab....ooh never mind, that's religion. That isn't how science works. The science on something is only good until someone proves it isn't. Grant it that the drug companies have a lot more money than a mom with a damaged 2 year old but hey, nobody said live was fair right? Right!


Have fun in that club but you know, you don't have to knock others to get your point across. Oh, my bad, you DO! Ok have a fun time. The rest of your club will be along shortly to fire up the party. They'll brings all the beer, I mean handcuffs, uh, oh yes, mandates they'd like to see imposed.

The snark does not make what you say true.

Yes, vaccine companies make a profit off of vaccines. Please tell us how you would suggest that drugs, including vaccines, should be developed and sold without anyone profiting from it.

Drug companies cannot be sued over adverse effects from vaccines. We have a better system which provides generous compensation to people truly harmed by vaccines. It involves filing a claim with the government instead of suing the company making the vaccine. Since adverse effects happen from vaccines that are not the fault of the manufacturer, people get awards who would have lost lawsuits. More money goes to the injured person. Lawyers get less.

Yes, medical science changes, as new evidence appears. The scientific evidence on vaccines confirms they are safe and effective. When problems with vaccines become apparent steps are taken to improve them.

There are not 30,000 injuries and deaths from vaccines yearly. VAERS reports may be made by anyone.

On Using VAERS | Left Brain Right Brain

" ... Jim Laidler said:

The chief problem with the VAERS data is that reports can be entered by anyone and are not routinely verified. [Note; all reports, including this one are verified. VAERS had to have his permission to remove the report.]To demonstrate this, a few years ago I entered a report that an influenza vaccine had turned me into The Hulk. The report was accepted and entered into the database."

People report such things as hearing on TV that someone died from a vaccine, or a nurse told them someone had a bad reaction to a vaccine, or they heard 4000 people died from a vaccine.

Let's look at some actual VAERS reports of deaths:

Search Results from the VAERS Database

" Information has been received from a nurse practitioners'' patient who heard on radio that 'HPV vaccine killed someone in the country'. The cause of death was unknown. The reporter was not sure if the vaccine was GARDASIL or CERVARIX. Attempts are being made to verify the existence of an identifiable patient. Additional information has been requested.

Search Results from the VAERS Database

"Information was reported in a newspaper article that a 14 year old female patient who on an unspecified date was vaccinated with a dose of GARDASIL vaccine (lot number, date, route and site not reported). Subsequently the patient experienced auto-immune symptoms and died 21 months later. The article also discussed the multiple sclerosis of other 5 patient while on therapy with GARDASIL vaccine ... No further information is available."

Search Results from the VAERS Database

"Information has been received from an office manager that the physician heard from the physician''s colleague that a 16 year old female colleague''s patient was given an unspecified dose of GARDASIL (Lot not reported) on a Friday and on Monday the patient passed away (specific dates were unknown). The reporter considered the event as disabling and life threatening. Additional information has been requested."

Search Results from the VAERS Database

"Information has been received from a consumer who saw a report on the internet about a 23 year old patient who was vaccinated with 3 doses of GARDASIL. Subsequently the patient died, the cause of the death was unknown. This is one of several reports received from the same source. Additional information has been requested."

Reports to VAERS are just reports. A few are actual valid reports of actual adverse events, but few turn out to be due to the vaccine and very few of those are serious. Most are sore arms and things like fainting after getting jabbed with a needle. Teenagers are prone to doing that in particular. Of all the reports of deaths after Gardasil, about one third were similar to the ones above. Others included deaths by suicide, heart disease, and other conditions totally unrelated to the vaccine.

The same thing happens with reports about adverse effects of other vaccines. True vaccine injuries are extremely rare. There are not 30,000 serious injuries and deaths from vaccines each year.

Originally Posted by MissTerri

Poppy's not an anti-vaxxer.

You really believe that? After what she just posted here?

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Mathguy

your in the politics forum and you are asking people to be nice to a group of crackpots that have gone so far as to accuse some of us of helping kill our loved ones with chemotherapy.

Sorry sweetie the gloves are off and you are in the ring with them. Not going to let you hide them behind your skirt. Oh look one of your buddies just claimed fetal material.... Shocking huh?

I will defend their rights not to vax but am not going to sit by and let them lie to others.

Lol at your profits can't be trusted mantra and then we look at the other side of the fence and its people selling stuff too or trial lawyers funding Wakefield. You really just tried to claim that moral high ground? That was foolish.

Exactly! Mercola, Tenpenney and some of the others sell their "supplements" right there on the same pages as their anti-vax screeds.

[Gibsonplayer]

Originally Posted by dv1033

Do you understand how viruses mutate?

I know how transcription works which is how viruses proliferate.

If you say so. I won't discount natural remedies, but there's nothing comparable to how vaccinations work.

That's false. Vaccinations do nothing more but call the body to create any antibodies to the recognized antigens.

What certain herbs can do is far more profound. They can harness that power in ways unmatched by vaccines.

[Gibsonplayer]

Originally Posted by dv1033

Why? It looks like the situation was a bad lot in Mexico.

Yes it most likely was. That is the problem.

[Gibsonplayer]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

See vaccine myth # 2

Myths That Keep People From Vaccinating Their Kids

Sure that is natural and should stay that way. But they can't say that vaccinated children are at risk from unvaccinated children. So they should leave the rest of us alone to decide if we want to be vaccinated - then we take our risks in that regard. The risk are greater for problems from vaccinations than from natural acquisition of a virus.

Others have addressed this. It's dishonest to say the vaccine caused the problem when it did not. Vaccination has resumed.

Baby deaths in southern Mexico not due to vaccines, health official says | Fox News Latino

" 'We can offer a clear and unequivocal conclusion: that the isolated problem that occurred in Chiapas was not due to a faulty vaccine, to anything being wrong with the vaccine,' the director of the Mexican Social Security Institute, or IMSS, Jose Antonio Gonzalez, said at a press conference, adding that the investigation is ongoing.

While other vaccines were administered to the children, the only one that all of the affected infants received was the hepatitis B vaccine, and therefore that has been the focus of the investigation, Gonzalez said.

The Federal Commission for Protection against Sanitary Risk, or Cofepris, analyzed and released the lots the vaccines came from in October of last year, he said, noting that those batches are the source of "tens of thousands of doses that have been administered (since then) in other parts of the country, without any instance of a reaction like this one."

Although only 72 hours have elapsed since the infants were hospitalized, 'we have results from the cultures that are beginning to show the presence of local external contamination, unrelated to the vaccine,' " Gonzalez said Tuesday.

The IS EXACTLY what we are talking about. You see you don't get it. The vaccine was STILL CONTAMINATED. They got one over on you and you fell for it. Your drinking to much of the koolaid.

The cells used to make some (not all) vaccines come from cells from two abortions done about 35 years ago, neither of which was done just to provide cells to make vaccines. Such cells are grown in a laboratory. Doing an abortion to obtain tissue to make vaccines or solely for any research reason is illegal. No one is convincing anyone to have abortions, and ER doctors do not perform them.

Wow, you ok with vaccines including aborted fetus cells? I guess your only ok so long as 35 years has passed?

Yes, vaccine companies make a profit off of vaccines. Please tell us how you would suggest that drugs, including vaccines, should be developed and sold without anyone profiting from it.

They shouldn't be made at all.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Gibsonplayer

I know how transcription works which is how viruses proliferate.




That's false. Vaccinations do nothing more but call the body to create any antibodies to the recognized antigens.

What certain herbs can do is far more profound. They can harness that power in ways unmatched by vaccines.

Please post a few studies (peer-reviewed, of course) showing how herbs induce antibody production.

BTW: The Mexican situation is still being investigated. You are making an unwarranted assumption.

[GuyNTexas]

Originally Posted by charolastra00

If you choose to enter a profession where you care for children or other human beings - be it education, daycares, nursing or other parts of the medical profession - then you should be expected to do so. That includes getting vaccinated.

Thank goodness my oncologist's office has the sense to hold their staff to the same standards.

Your oncologist is also a fraud, given that 3/4 of his/her income comes directly from the profits of the chemo poisons they prescribe. Poisons? Yes, POISONS.

After decades if warnings from holistic and natural medicine practicioners ... some truths (and vindication) are beginning to emerge about the counter productive effects of chemotherapy, with their most harmful side effects being a direct path to more aggressive and deadly cancerous tumor growth!!

Recent information is now being revealed through clinical studies which have defined the effect and the mechanism of action in this startling reversal of the alleged cure being no cure at all. These studies show that chemotherapy drugs damage healthy cells, which cause them to secrete a protein labeled "WNT16B" which is taken up by cancer cells causing accelerated growth along with greater resistance to further chemotherapy. The old "cure" that turns out to be a "cause" instead.

And no matter how definitive the science, such inconvenient revelations will remain out of the mainstream conversation indefinitely, since BILLIONS OF DOLLARS are at stake ... while health is truly of no concern whatsoever.

Bottom line, conventional cancer treatment is little more than a medieval form of drilling holes into heads to release evil spirits. Hard to really say which is worse, vaccines or chemotherapy ... they are both two of the greatest medical frauds of all time.

[twinArmageddons]

Originally Posted by Sawdustmaker

Medical exemptions should have always been the only reason allowed to "opt out".

Religious exemptions were easy to get - you are the "church/temple" of you.

But some schools required a lot more than just writing a letter stating "vaccinations are against our religious beliefs". You had to have the head of the religious institution you attend fill out a form stating that you were a current & active member and cite the religious reasons in whatever "doctrine" your religion follows for avoiding vaccines. And Mercola's handy-dandy cheat sheet didn't work for all.

So folks turned to "philosophical exemptions".

This.

The only legitimate reason to not vaccinate is medical. Otherwise, it's not just stupid, it's child abuse.

[wildflower82]

Originally Posted by charolastra00

Where does the article talk about vaccines being included in food or being delivered by insects?

You know what is debilitating to my freedom as a cancer survivor with a diminished immune system? Knowing for the next 60+ years of my life, I am at risk of contracting preventable childhood illnesses that can do me and many others a whole lot of harm. I'm a-ok with limiting that risk, especially after seeing the lifelong effects of measles on my uncle who contracted it before there was a vaccine.

We accept unvaccinated kids all year long, how will this prevent those kids from spreading diseases?

Originally Posted by nana053

The mosquito idea is not very likely to work.

Researchers Turn Mosquitoes Into Flying Vaccinators | Science/AAAS | News

Lets hope not.......wonder if they thought about a person being bite to many times. The very idea of hiding it in our food is even more disturbing.

[Gibsonplayer]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

Please post a few studies (peer-reviewed, of course) showing how herbs induce antibody production.

BTW: The Mexican situation is still being investigated. You are making an unwarranted assumption.

hi Katarina, it isn't that the herbs are causing the system to product antibodies so much as it is that the herbs are increasing the immune response to the virus allowing the body to build its own antibodies.

IMSS already said the vaccinations were due to bacterial contamination. While the investigation may be ongoing that is already their initial statements. That is not believed to be in dispute. Any additional investigation would be to find out where the contamination came from.


Investigación apunta a que hubo error en manipulación de vacunas: IMSS - Grupo Milenio

But the bacterial infection excuse is being met with much skepticism because bacterial infection of that nature don't typically kill in hours unless it is mycoplasma (which are found in vaccinations). Pneumonia is a form of mycoplasma.