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Old 12-31-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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no kidding..not to mention he was treated to lunch at Burger King after he was arrested
None of this is a surprise to me anymore. Makes me kind of cynical in terms of whether or not many things have actually changed.

 
Old 12-31-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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A man in the dark(he was a big boy) points a gun(a toy gun altered to look real) at a police officer and gets shot. True, they shot too fast. You just have to wonder how a jury will see it. I'm glad it's not my decision.

Didn't you see the video? If you call that a "big boy," what would qualify as a small child in your eyes? Stuart Little? King of the Lilliputians?
 
Old 01-01-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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Didn't you see the video? If you call that a "big boy," what would qualify as a small child in your eyes? Stuart Little? King of the Lilliputians?
The video shows Rice was roughly 1 1/2 inches tall. Even if all the reports that he was 5' 7" tall, 195 pounds, unclothed, were true, how could someone that size possibly be perceived as anything but a small child.
 
Old 01-01-2016, 08:17 AM
 
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Show me one person that "wished" the child died
You really want a police officers child to die? If so, you are a sorry sorry human being
They did not give him any first aid on the scene. The FBI officer who did says that the cops *didn't know what to do.* Why didn't they know at least the basics if they were in a position to shoot?
 
Old 01-01-2016, 08:24 AM
 
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So the cop should just sit there and watch him? Maybe hang out for a few hours til the suspected perp went home?

Please tell me you are debating for the sole purpose of debating
They do it all the time with white gun owners who point guns at them

8 White People Who Pointed Guns At Police Officers and Managed Not to Get Killed | Alternet

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Jesse Deflorio faces one count of reckless conduct after he was accused of firing a BB gun in the direction of Concord police officers who were doing a routine traffic stop earlier this month.

Police said that on Sept. 5, two officers stopped a car near the intersection of Water and South Main streets in Concord.

During that stop, the officers said, they heard what sounded like shots being fired, but they were able to determine the gun was most likely a BB gun and not a traditional firearm.
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Pennsylvania State Police have arrested a man after he reportedly pulled a gun on officers.

Paramedics arrived at the scene of a car accident shortly after 1:30 a.m. on Saturday where 25-year-old Jed Frazier, of Corpus Christi, Texas had driven a truck off of the road and into a ditch.

Police say when they approached Frazier's vehicle it appeared he was going in and out of consciousness and that he refused to acknowledge requests to unlock the vehicle doors.

When officers attempted to gain entry into the vehicle Frazier allegedly pulled a small caliber hand gun from his coat pocket and pointed it at police.

Officers and medics took shelter and continued to make contact with Frazier.
 
Old 01-01-2016, 08:36 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Here is the problem with Grand Juries, the prosecutor is not required to present exculpatory evidence. In lay terms what that means is that if Officer Jones shot and killed someone and there are witnesses who will testify that the victim was unarmed, compliant and was following the directions of the Officer, the Prosecutor does not have to present that to the Grand Jury.[/i]
Um, that's not exculpatory evidence (it is the opposite of exculpatory).
 
Old 01-01-2016, 08:38 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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They do it all the time with white gun owners who point guns at them

8 White People Who Pointed Guns At Police Officers and Managed Not to Get Killed | Alternet
They do it all the time with black gun owners as well, e.g. this case here:
Woman Points BB Gun at Police in Connecticut
(Which did not even make a single local news articles, just the paper crime reports. Because officers successfully apprehending two armed African-American men in the middle of a home invasion with no one getting hurt is not news.)
 
Old 01-01-2016, 09:05 AM
 
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Um, that's not exculpatory evidence (it is the opposite of exculpatory).
That would be exculpatory evidence, evidence that tends to absolve the accused or person being investigated of guilt. One reason for the phrase about prosecutors being able to indict a ham sandwich is that they have such leeway in what to present to a GJ. When they want an indictment, they'll skip the exculpatory evidence. OTOH, If they don't want an indictment, the incriminating testimony/evidence can be ignored.
 
Old 01-01-2016, 09:49 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Dylan Roof went into a church, murdered 9 people, and he was handled more calmly that Tamir Rice was.
These are the discrepancies that I do not understand. Were those officer's just so much more skilled? Less trigger happy? Hesitant to kill a white boy? What?

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They did not give him any first aid on the scene. The FBI officer who did says that the cops *didn't know what to do.* Why didn't they know at least the basics if they were in a position to shoot?
They were pathetic. Not one attempt to render aid while he lay dying. Tossing his sister in the back of a squad car as she attempted to go to him.

Pathetic human beings.

Too bad the taxpayers will be the ones shelling out the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ that this family will collect in a civil suit.
 
Old 01-01-2016, 10:44 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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That would be exculpatory evidence, evidence that tends to absolve the accused or person being investigated of guilt. One reason for the phrase about prosecutors being able to indict a ham sandwich is that they have such leeway in what to present to a GJ. When they want an indictment, they'll skip the exculpatory evidence. OTOH, If they don't want an indictment, the incriminating testimony/evidence can be ignored.
Right, the example presented though was evidence that would implicate the officer, not absolve him, so it would not be exculpatory.
The supreme court ruling said nothing about ignoring incriminating testimony/evidence, only exculpatory evidence.
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