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Old 06-17-2015, 07:16 AM
 
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A carbon tax is a drop in the bucket in comparison to subsidies to fossil fuel companies, so what are you afraid of?
That's how politicians always sell new taxes. It's a drop in the bucket, what's the big deal? And for what, a totally unsettled science? You folks know full well no really knows if AGW is just a normal climactic variation and no one knows if human activities have contributed to it. You might think it does. You might have watched An Inconvenient Truth so many times you can recite it verbatim, but that doesn't make it true.

The left told us we needed Healthcare, so now look at the incredible clusterfrack Obamacare has left us in. And the same number of people are still uninsured!

Why the hell would I believe anything they try to sell us about the climate, even if it's just "a drop in the bucket".

 
Old 06-17-2015, 07:28 AM
 
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That University of Illinois poll had the name Doran...is that Billy Ayers wife?
 
Old 06-17-2015, 07:38 AM
 
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Nobody cares if 97% or 79% agree that AGW is happening....The fact is that it IS happening....

Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: News

Give me a break-

Science is not an opinion poll or a show of hands. If "polls" constituted valid science, we would still believe that evil humors cause disease and that smoking cigarettes is good for you. These concepts, of course, were supported by the majority in their time. Nor do abstracts in the literature mean anything at all, as abstracts do not undergo the rigorous peer review process of a conventional journal publication.

Liberals (who claim to uphold the priniciples of science) simply disregard THE CORNERSTONE OF SCIENCE (refuting the null hypothesis) in their zeal to embrace "global warming".

The concept of "global warming" is an embarrassment to conventional science. Unfortunately, the vast majority of those who support this concept have no clue as to what constitutes valid science.
 
Old 06-17-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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Nobody cares if 97% or 79% agree that AGW is happening....The fact is that it IS happening....

http://climate.nasa.gov/news/
And, if it is?

You can go ahead and make the choice not to use anything that has a thing to do with AGW if you choose. Why don't you?

Well, only a teeny tiny miniscule amount of the population will do anything to significantly change their lifestyles.

Even the people who believe in AGW won't actually do anything about it.

Sorry, but I really don't see why destroying our economy for nothing is an answer.

Let's be real, it's just a "feel good" topic for people like you. It allows for you to thump your chest and act like you care about some cause, but when it really comes down to it, it's just ego.
 
Old 06-17-2015, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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The concept of "global warming" is an embarrassment to conventional science. Unfortunately, the vast majority of those who support this concept have no clue as to what constitutes valid science.
So you seem to be saying that the majority of scientist have no clue what constitutes valid science, whereas you, apparently, do have clue. What qualifications do you have for making this claim? Keep in mind that I have no idea who you are. From my perspective you are just a guy on the internet claiming that scientists have no clue what constitutes valid science.

From my perspective, it is mostly "guys on the internet" and a bunch of politicians who are the embarrassment.

BTW: Wikipedia has a page devoted to surveys of scientists on the topic of AGW: http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-limits-economy.htm

The basic conclusion: Several surveys have been conducted of the opinions of scientists on anthropogenic climate change. They have generally concluded that the majority of scientists believe that human activity is contributing to global warming.

And one more thing: Within the realm of sociology and related fields, a carefully-conducted opinion survey is a valid form of scientific study. If you are asking a sociological question such as "What do scientists believe about X" then a well-designed survey counts as valid data toward answering the question.

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Old 06-17-2015, 07:53 AM
 
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Give me a break-

Science is not an opinion poll or a show of hands. If "polls" constituted valid science, we would still believe that evil humors cause disease and that smoking cigarettes is good for you. These concepts, of course, were supported by the majority in their time. Nor do abstracts in the literature mean anything at all, as abstracts do not undergo the rigorous peer review process of a conventional journal publication.

Liberals (who claim to uphold the priniciples of science) simply disregard THE CORNERSTONE OF SCIENCE (refuting the null hypothesis) in their zeal to embrace "global warming".

The concept of "global warming" is an embarrassment to conventional science. Unfortunately, the vast majority of those who support this concept have no clue as to what constitutes valid science.
Fascinating that you don't even know what an abstract is in 21st century academic publishing. Have you not read an academic Journal since before the internet?

Guess what? All academic peer-reviewed Journals have been published online for years now. All peer-reviewed research papers have abstracts to enable faster online searching of the literature. All you are doing is proving you've never read any online Journals and haven't got a clue about any of the research in tens of thousands of peer-reviewed research papers.

You posted a piece of trash from an online tabloid (the Daily Caller) whose 'source' was an anti-science conspiracy blog and think it's 'valid science'? Hilarious.

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Old 06-17-2015, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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Sorry, but I really don't see why destroying our economy for nothing is an answer.
Good ecological policies won't "destroy the economy". ( The economic impacts of carbon pricing )
 
Old 06-17-2015, 08:06 AM
 
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Give me a break-

Science is not an opinion poll or a show of hands. If "polls" constituted valid science, we would still believe that evil humors cause disease and that smoking cigarettes is good for you.
When and if a better theory comes along, I'm sure it will gain momentum... but they're not going to disregard their best theory simply because it doesn't click with your political affiliation.

You can't refute the null hypothesis for evolution either. Is evolution also an embarrassment to science?
 
Old 06-17-2015, 08:10 AM
 
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Fascinating that you don't even know what an abstract is in 21st century academic publishing. Have you not read an academic Journal since before the internet?

Guess what? All academic peer-reviewed Journals have been published online for years now. All peer-reviewed research papers have abstracts to enable faster online searching of the literature. All you are doing is proving you've never read any online Journals and haven't got a clue about any of the research in tens of thousands of peer-reviewed research papers.

You posted a piece of trash from an online tabloid hack journalist whose source was an anti-science conspiracy blog and think it's valid 'research'? Hilarious.
There you go, yet again, with the personal attacks.

How about a demonstration of civility, tolerance and open-mindeness instead, for a change?

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Old 06-17-2015, 09:22 AM
 
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Good ecological policies won't "destroy the economy". ( The economic impacts of carbon pricing )
I agree "good" ones won't, but policies that give additional advantages to countries that don't/won't adopt similar policies will.
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