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A tax payer funded salary for the rest of their life is "their piece of American pie"?
Yes-and there is alot more corruption, waste and unearned income to worry about than Firefighters receiving a 6 figure pension-which sadly has really lost so much value through Federal Reserve policies.
That really is not a lot in New York anymore-people cannot afford to own homes or raise families in NYC that earn $100,000/year.
Firefighter shifts do not add up to any more time than teachers, not that they should, this isn't normal work. They are on "tour" for long periods of time, then off for long periods of time. They get a ton of vacation and personal time also.
I know someone that is federal firefighter, I believe his typical shift is two days. The first 8 hours he does normal work, inspecting fire extinguishers etc. The rest of the 16 hours he can't leave the fire department. He gets two days off, another two day shift, perhaps three days off and another 2 day shift. About 4 times a year he gets about a week off and there is also another deal where he gets 4 or 5 days off in a row.
That said he's spending a lot more than 40 hours a week at the fire station, granted he's not actually "working" but his time is not his either.
Federal and state pensions should be cut down to livable wage which would be about 40,000-60,000. Then, the retirees should move to a town where cost of living isn't so high and they can get the most out of their money.
Yes-and there is alot more corruption, waste and unearned income to worry about than Firefighters receiving a 6 figure pension-which sadly has really lost so much value through Federal Reserve policies.
That really is not a lot in New York anymore-people cannot afford to own homes or raise families in NYC that earn $100,000/year.
Federal and state pensions should be cut down to livable wage which would be about 40,000-60,000. Then, the retirees should move to a town where cost of living isn't so high and they can get the most out of their money.
There should be no public pensions as no one should be forced into supporting another to sit on a porch.
Yes-and there is alot more corruption, waste and unearned income to worry about than Firefighters receiving a 6 figure pension-which sadly has really lost so much value through Federal Reserve policies.
That really is not a lot in New York anymore-people cannot afford to own homes or raise families in NYC that earn $100,000/year.
They should not ignore pensions because of corruption. It's not a question of either or they should address both, I've heard the tough to live stories before, where do the taxpayers and middle class in NYC fall into the equation. Keep in mind this is a pension of $100K not a salary.
The median sales price of a home in NYC is $1.3 Million. It was $400k 15 years ago.
Then they can look in East New York or on Staten Island (where most of them live anyway) if they want to be landed gentry.
Aside from that, do people wonder why inflationary consumer prices are enabled by revenue streams (and regular increases) sought at the muzzle of state firepower by public unions every April?
Is the dreaded private sector seeing any of those goodies? It must be nice to simply dispatch envoys to hammer out a new public employee collective bargaining agreement after holding endorsements over a public official's head every few years, then send SWAT teams to collect.
Firefighter shifts do not add up to any more time than teachers, not that they should, this isn't normal work. They are on "tour" for long periods of time, then off for long periods of time. They get a ton of vacation and personal time also.
Nobody goes into the job of being an NY cop or firefighter being told it's safe. You get paid well with fantastic benefits and 20 year retirement with no level of education. That's why the lines to get into these jobs are still long despite the risks.
They pay nothing into their pensions and they are guaranteed. That's an unsustainable situation as the tax base shrinks due to fewer good paying jobs...the only fair alternative is to go after the real wealth, or cut back on their pensions.
This is a very tough situation to discuss, because you will have 9/11 thrown in your face, a horrible but nonetheless rare occurrence. You are going to have taxpayers held hostage by public service unions for many years because of 9/11.
FDNY and NYPD pay a % of salary into their pensions based on age at time of hire for 20 years.
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