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Old 06-20-2015, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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If you honestly believe this, you truly do not understand gun owners. No law abiding citizen wants to spray lead at the drop of a hat, people simply want the means to protect themselves, and their families.
So law abiding citizens of the US walk around in so much fear they feel the need to arm themselves? That is no way to live.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:15 PM
 
Location: United States
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So law abiding citizens of the US walk around in so much fear they feel the need to arm themselves? That is no way to live.
Well, bad guys are going to have guns even if you ban them, so good guys may as well have the option to own, and carry them. Personal I don't carry a gun. Truth be told, as long as you are a law abiding citizen, and stay away from the few really bad areas that have almost all of the gun violence, the US is a very safe place.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:19 PM
 
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None of the conservatives in this thread could address this. Probably because they know it's true.
Why should they? The last war that sent draftees to to be killed was started by a liberal Democrat.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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.... Nice. I have spent a lot of time there, I've researched the gun laws, I've engaged a lot of Swiss people on this topic, and I know that I know what I'm talking about. Not at all convinced that you do.

If we had a gun culture and laws like Switzerland, I would sign up for that in a second. But it would be nothing like what we have here today. When conservatives employ Switzerland as a defense for American attitudes about guns, they're comparing apples and oranges.
Though you say otherwise, you don't appear to speak from any real knowledge on gun ownership by the Swiss. Most of what you have said is wrong.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:22 PM
 
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So law abiding citizens of the US walk around in so much fear they feel the need to arm themselves? That is no way to live.
Why would someone who is able to defend themselves, have fear? That makes no sense.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Well, bad guys are going to have guns even if you ban them, so good guys may as well have the option to own, and carry them. Personal I don't carry a gun. Truth be told, as long as you are a law abiding citizen, and stay away from the few really bad areas that have almost all of the gun violence, the US is a very safe place.
Thanks, but I'll stay in Canada. I'd prefer not to drive on highways where many other drivers are armed.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Why would someone who is able to defend themselves, have fear? That makes no sense.
Fear is the reason that people like you arm themselves, otherwise why would you?
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:51 PM
 
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And your "corrections" involve some erroneous comments about ammo in pockets and zero factual information? Nice. I have spent a lot of time there, I've researched the gun laws, I've engaged a lot of Swiss people on this topic, and I know that I know what I'm talking about. Not at all convinced that you do.

If we had a gun culture and laws like Switzerland, I would sign up for that in a second. But it would be nothing like what we have here today. When conservatives employ Switzerland as a defense for American attitudes about guns, they're comparing apples and oranges.
I'm willing to bet you haven't spent much time in parts of the US where there aren't strict gun laws and engaged with the people there. Then again elitist San Francisco must be quite the bubble there.
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Old 06-20-2015, 01:59 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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If more people in that church had a gun then maybe more people would still be alive and the gun man be shot earlier.

If there were more guns my grand parents may have survived and not die in Auswitz and died at the hands of the Nazi's and being taken away as lame ducks but able to at least take some down.

Usually cops are too late for a shooting as they are called after the fact and perhaps can prevent another person from getting shot but they usually are not on the spot when the crazy person starts shooting.

In the Netherlands there is no gun policy and look how many people get shot every year.
Every American presently has the opportunity to go out and purchase a gun, but they don't. And only 24% of Americans personally own a gun.
A minority of Americans own guns, but just how many is unclear | Pew Research Center


To change culture and get more Americans to own guns would be a major undertaking (and its conservatives/republicans that mainly own guns.)

And republicans are not interested in expanding gun ownership or forever preserving America's gun culture. Instead republicans use guns as a campaign tool and say "the democrats want to take your guns", while they do nothing to combat America's falling gun ownership levels, ex.ex.

The corporate backed republicans don't care about guns, they only care about getting gun owners to vote for their lower corporate tax rates and corporate deregulation.
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Old 06-20-2015, 02:02 PM
 
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Why should they? The last war that sent draftees to to be killed was started by a liberal Democrat.
Deflect much? That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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