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Old 06-20-2015, 11:04 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Originally Posted by Knox Harrington View Post
Here is the definition of the word "traitor":



Most citizens of the CSA were once citizens of the USA. How is committing the act of secession not "betraying his or her country?"

PS, they were not the same country at the start of the war. Hence not traitors to the US. History books are your friend. Secession is not, I REPEAT NOT TREASON.

 
Old 06-20-2015, 11:07 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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The "North?"

You mean our country, the United States of America?

They could have very easily brought treason charges against thousands of people. They chose not to, because they opted not to continue the hostilities and to bring the nation back together.


False!
 
Old 06-20-2015, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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The North could not bring treason charges against these states after the war because it was not treason.
States?

Well, sure. It's hard to bring charges against an entire state.

Individuals?

Wrong.

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The Civil War was over, and it was time for those who led the South to be punished. The Norfolk Virginian reported on Monday, December 25, 1865, that the Union arrested "Raphael Semmes, late Admiral in the Confederate navy, and commander of the celebrated cruiser Alabama," with "a profound feeling of shame." The people of the South lamented the "unexpected arrest and immediate transfer to a Northern jail" of this "true born American," and considered Admiral Semmes a war hero. His most celebrated and "most unequal fight" was against the French vessel, the Kearsage, in which he "gallantly sunk, rather than give up his ship." The government charged the venerated Admiral with "violating the usage of war" for the aforementioned battle, which took place in June 1865, over a month after the command to "cease all acts of war" on April 26, 1865. Though Admiral Semmes protested the arrest and was previously paroled on other charges, his trial proceeded, and he was released from prison on April 7, 1866.

Like Admiral Semmes, some officers in the Confederate Army were charged with treason after the Civil War. Though the 1866 Civil Rights Act vindicated those in the Confederacy in an attempt to help the reconstruction and reunification process, it did not protect the leaders of the Confederate Army. Many men in various ranks were charged with treason, and the South despised each arrest and often publicly disapproved of the arrests of their recently celebrated heroes. The Union did not arrest many officers, however. In addition, many government officials in the Union believed that if the officers of the Confederate Army were executed, they would die martyrs and only make Reconstruction harder to accomplish.

Citations

"Arrest of Admiral Semmes," Norfolk Virginian, December 25, 1865.
"Arrival of Semmes," Norfolk Virginian, January 1, 1866.
1866 Civil Rights Act (April 9, 1866) Statutes at Large, 1868, 27-30.
William Allen Blair, Why Didn't the North Hang Some Rebels? (Milwaukee: Marquette University Press, 2004), 14-23.
 
Old 06-20-2015, 11:10 PM
 
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They could have very easily brought treason charges against thousands of people. They chose not to, because they opted not to continue the hostilities and to bring the nation back together.
IMO, not doing so at least with some examples was a mistake.
 
Old 06-20-2015, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Jawjah
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What many Confederate Flags apologists on this board wont openly say is that like Dylan Roof they also pose with their guns and confederate flags and have taken embarrassing pictures with both those items to post on Instagram/Facebook..
 
Old 06-20-2015, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Tulsa, OK
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PS, they were not the same country at the start of the war. Hence not traitors to the US. History books are your friend. Secession is not, I REPEAT NOT TREASON.
Scotty, the Stars and Bars are a coming down!
 
Old 06-21-2015, 12:05 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default It's a repulsive, shameful symbol of supreme ignorance

For once, I agree with Romney.

The Confederate flag is a symbol of supreme ignorance. It represents a mindset, culture, people, and history that should be shunned and forgotten. It's a disgusting, repulsive symbol, and should be burned and banned.
 
Old 06-21-2015, 12:41 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Knox Harrington View Post
Here is the definition of the word "traitor":



Most citizens of the CSA were once citizens of the USA. How is committing the act of secession not "betraying his or her country?"
Ask Vermont.
 
Old 06-21-2015, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Texas
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People of this country have freedom of speech. Flying the confederate flag is freedom of speech, and whether you like it or not it is their right. Not flying the flag is not going to cure the ills of society. Get real people.
Citizens who love that flag can do what they want with it but it really shouln't be on state government buildings.
 
Old 06-21-2015, 01:13 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Here's a great endorsement for how the confederate flag is not a symbol of racism, just "heritage:"

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/...-master675.jpg

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