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It looks like the key to getting the United States in line with the rest of the first world is through the private sector as unfortunately the Republicans will block anything meaningful from getting done.
Great job uber!
Now it's time to put pressure on corporations such as Wal-Mart that sell these killing devices in their stores.
You mean the Europe that just 70 years ago was where people were being slaughtered by the millions because of their race, religion, or political leanings? European history is a good example of why we have our second amendment.
You mean the Europe that just 70 years ago was where people were being slaughtered by the millions because of their race, religion, or political leanings? European history is a good example of why we have our second amendment.
But the Nazis and even Italians had machine guns and tanks to our rifles, shotguns and handguns. Yeah those win against tanks.
But the Nazis and even Italians had machine guns and tanks to our rifles, shotguns and handguns. Yeah those win against tanks.
The second amendment was intended to protect the right of citizens to own anything the government does. You also completely missed the point of that post.
The second amendment was intended to protect the right of citizens to own anything the government does. You also completely missed the point of that post.
No I didn't, you rather chose to stick to a talking point than rather looking at the spectrum of the question. When mentioning the Axis Powers, it's easy to Monday Morning Quarterback but we forget that handguns, rifles and shotguns work but not against machine guns, tanks, planes, etc. We forget how the American militias failed rather early on in the Revolutionary War and they had fairly equal arms to the British soldiers. Your notion is that handguns, rifles and shotguns would stop Nazis who had the same plus machine guns, tanks and planes as well.
No I didn't, you rather chose to stick to a talking point than rather looking at the spectrum of the question. When mentioning the Axis Powers, it's easy to Monday Morning Quarterback but we forget that handguns, rifles and shotguns work but not against machine guns, tanks, planes, etc. We forget how the American militias failed rather early on in the Revolutionary War and they had fairly equal arms to the British soldiers. Your notion is that handguns, rifles and shotguns would stop Nazis who had the same plus machine guns, tanks and planes as well.
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and others seem to discredit the notion that no one stands a chance against modern military weaponry.
And my real point was we shouldn't be holding up as an example a region that just 70 years ago was, as usual throughout their history, slaughtering themselves over differences in religion, ethnicity, and politics.
No I didn't, you rather chose to stick to a talking point than rather looking at the spectrum of the question. When mentioning the Axis Powers, it's easy to Monday Morning Quarterback but we forget that handguns, rifles and shotguns work but not against machine guns, tanks, planes, etc.
Afghanistan doesn't have tanks or planes and yet they have held off both the U.S. and Russia.
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We forget how the American militias failed rather early on in the Revolutionary War and they had fairly equal arms to the British soldiers. Your notion is that handguns, rifles and shotguns would stop Nazis who had the same plus machine guns, tanks and planes as well.
But the Nazis and even Italians had machine guns and tanks to our rifles, shotguns and handguns. Yeah those win against tanks.
Tanks need support. As do aircraft. Cut off that support and they go away. Machine guns? Well, we were at one time allowed to own them, but that was taken away from us. Of coarse Al Capone turned his in immediately.
That "opportunity" comes at enormous social cost - the type we see all the time in America,
But does it really? When you figure how many gun deaths there are in this country annualy, ( around 12,000 ) you have to stop and look at just who's dying. How many are criminal gang members being killed by other criminal gang members? Them killing each other seems more to me like a social benefit, not a cost. Most of those killings happen in urban areas, and when you remove urban areas like Chicago and Detroit from the stats, we have a gun crime rate similar to most other first world nations. We have a gang problem in this country, not a gun problem.
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and is hardly ever seen in other developed countries.
That's debatable at best. The UK's gun crime rate has doubled in the years since they banned handguns.
"""But, on the other hand, the strict regulations have done nothing to stop the trade in illegal guns. The weapon Reeve used was, after all, a handgun, which no one has been allowed to own in this country since 1997 – not even the British Olympic pistol shooting team, which has to train in Switzerland.
And, a cruel irony this, gun crime has doubled since then"""
Hell, studies even show that in 50% of cases of house break-ins where the homeowner is armed and the intruder isn't, the gun still ends up in the hands of the intruder!
News to me. I'm going to need to see a link to these "studies"
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Tell me, did having a gun help the cops in Las Vegas when they were shot by anti-government nuts a few months ago?
Nope. They never saw it coming. They were ambushed. No one ever said that the act of carrying a gun alone would save you.
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Do you think having armed security in Las Vegas has preventing shootings on the strip or in the hotels?
Prevent? No. Being armed or having armed security doesn't necessarily "prevent" anything, but then again no one ever said it would. At best, having an armed presence acts as a deterrent. But carrying a gun doesn't prevent anything. It just gives you a means to meet force with with force.
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I don't know if you have ever seen a video of someone actually being shot - but to think that the victim could have prevented it by just being armed themselves is insane.
I agree, it is insane to think that simply being armed and carrying a gun will put some kind of force field around you and prevent anything from happening to you. No one thinks that. All the gun does is give you an opportunity to be able to defend yourself. It doesn't gaurantee that you'll be successful.
Arizona, Arkansas, Connecticut, Illinois, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska,[62] Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin all allow private businesses to post a specific sign (language and format vary by state) prohibiting concealed carry, violation of which, in some of these states, is grounds for revocation of the offender's concealed carry permit and criminal prosecution.
Only if you get caught, which really demonstrates the futility in a business putting those signs up in the first place. No one will be stopped by a paper sign on the door, and in 99% of the cases, that's the only enforcement mechanism. It's a rule enforced only by how willing people are to follow it.
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Funny in more conservative, even libertarian leaning Arizona a good number of businesses actually have the signs that tell you don't bring guns into this establishment.
I'm betting it has more to do with insurance concerns than the owners position on guns.
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