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View Poll Results: How should "average" people be supported if you do not feel that they are worthy of employ
Supported by government. Higher taxes will be paid by the hard-working above average people. 11 50.00%
They should be homeless and living on the streets. If they want money, they can sell drugs or partake in even worse crime. 11 50.00%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-22-2015, 05:12 PM
 
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Forget average, whether below or above. You just have to better than the people you're competing with for the job.
And what is your solution for the 51% that are not as good as the people they are competing with?

 
Old 06-22-2015, 05:12 PM
 
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solution:

work hard at something you can do and live within your means.

don't fall victim to the expectations of society and others as to what is "success" in life

understand no one is "above" you, and do not envy

have a work ethic

be healthy and happy and understand your job and / or education has nothing to do with how exceptional or unexceptional you are as a person

don't be afraid to have an average job or education. you can be above average in other things

don't listen to others who put you down because they have MORE of....whatever....then you do. they most likely have a lot more insecurity, too. take away just a little from these "above average" people and you see they lose their above average veneer and are just human after all

also remember, those who are "above average" who won't take work that is "below" them because they are lofty might be the lowest form of low there is

us hard working "average" folk always smile about that. we don't care about your education or sense of entitlement. you bought in to whatever you were told, now own it and get to work at......something

oh, and "average" people work for what they have. who the hell thinks they don't?
 
Old 06-22-2015, 05:13 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Larry Siegel View Post
Get a job. If you're average, you're not going to be a doctor, lawyer, captain of industry, etc. Car mechanics, electrical equipment installers, and truck drivers have value too.
Those jobs that you mention require specialized skills that the average person is not going to have, and likely also certification. They are not options for failed white collar workers.
 
Old 06-22-2015, 05:14 PM
 
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The idea of stimulus is to provide jobs for people to do, so they can receive compensation for needed food and shelter.

Many, many jobs aren't really necessary. They just exist so people can ... exist.

So, essentially society already does support those people of whom you speak, by giving them jobs that aren't really necessary.

Repairs to roads are done, beautification of town centers, cleanup of environmental contamination, all of which are more or less unnecessary. But it's a stimulus of billions of dollars to keep people in my field occupied.

Compare that with a despotic country which is run like a self-serving business. The government helps itself instead of others, and instead of creating jobs so others can eat.
So in other words you would like to drive on poorly maintained roads that are falling apart, live in a town that is ugly and unsafe, and breathe dirty air and drink dirty water?
 
Old 06-22-2015, 05:15 PM
 
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I think the general frustration among taxpayers is there is a belief that certain segments of the population that are receiving welfare don't seem to be interested in trying to get a job. They seem content to eek out a meager existence on whatever government aid they can qualify for.
My poll is referring to people who want to work, and are physically and mentally able to work, but are not being hired because they are "average".
 
Old 06-22-2015, 05:16 PM
 
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Originally Posted by AverageJoeMamma View Post
solution:

work hard at something you can do and live within your means.

don't fall victim to the expectations of society and others as to what is "success" in life

understand no one is "above" you, and do not envy

have a work ethic

be healthy and happy and understand your job and / or education has nothing to do with how exceptional or unexceptional you are as a person

don't be afraid to have an average job or education. you can be above average in other things

don't listen to others who put you down because they have MORE of....whatever....then you do. they most likely have a lot more insecurity, too. take away just a little from these "above average" people and you see they lose their above average veneer and are just human after all

also remember, those who are "above average" who won't take work that is "below" them because they are lofty might be the lowest form of low there is

us hard working "average" folk always smile about that. we don't care about your education or sense of entitlement. you bought in to whatever you were told, now own it and get to work at......something

oh, and "average" people work for what they have. who the hell thinks they don't?
That post is nothing but meaningless clichés.
 
Old 06-22-2015, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Southeast U.S
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The last recession and the almost jobless recovery has put that myth to bed. Yes there are a certain population that have no desire to work for a living and I am not sure I blame them. Considering the working conditions and remuneration in many low wage jobs I'd probably opt for welfare as well. Why work and put wear and tear on your body for a company that won't even pay you enough to eat let alone medical insurance. However, the simple fact is there are not enough jobs for barely 1/2 our population to be in the labour force.
I agree. Greedy corporations that take advantage of its employees makes where it's hard for anyone to make a honest living. Companies are only concerned about their bottom line profit and can care less about its employees. They want top talent people for cheap as possible. Not to mention Uncle Sam wants 30-40% of your paycheck. Everything you buy something you get taxed another 7-10%. You pay property taxes on your home which eats up another 10% of your annual income. In reality you only see 30% of your earnings. This society wants to know why there are so many dishonest, lying, and cheating people in the country. That's why! The politicians on both political parties could care less about the people they just care about padding their pockets.
 
Old 06-22-2015, 05:26 PM
 
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If you have another solution besides the 2 that I listed, feel free to post it here.
family and friends can support them, if they choose to.
 
Old 06-22-2015, 05:27 PM
 
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Wow, talk about a survey with an agenda. A good example of why survey results are generally worthless.
 
Old 06-22-2015, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Southeast U.S
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I think anyone who is willing and eager to work 40 hours a week. Average, below average, or exceptional deserves a wage that they can afford to put a roof over their head, buy groceries, put gas in their car, and afford basic necessities. There are so many Americans working 40 hours a week that cannot afford those things.
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