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Old 06-26-2015, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Originally Posted by dechatelet View Post
Nice try.

If two people commit the same crime, and you hold one accountable but the other not, then you are applying a double standard.

Both the Confederacy and the United States were guilty of practicing slavery.

Both.
No one is arguing that fact.....this isn't about what both flags might have once represented, it is about what they currently represent.

 
Old 06-26-2015, 12:14 AM
 
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Evil should be put down like a rabid dog and the confederacy was evil incarnate.
So was the United States, applying the same standard of your opposition to slavery.

There was slavery in the North long before the Civil War, but that's okay with you.

You consider the American flag to be just dandy -- but not the Confederate flag.

You're fine with George Washington but not General Lee.

You're fine with the U.S. seceding from England, but not fine with the South seceding from the U.S.

You're fine with double-standards.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 12:26 AM
 
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One last thing, never, ever accuse this writer of being blind to the naked truth about the history of this country, United States ever.
Why not?

You're a propagandist, not a historian.

I love how the minute your opponent reveals his Puerto Rican heritage, you and others on your side talk down to him.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 12:30 AM
 
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Well, like it or not, the Supreme Court decides what is Constitutional and what is not.
No, it doesn't.

The Constitution itself decides that.

The Supreme Court's decisions may or may not be constitutional.

That should be obvious.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 12:48 AM
 
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No one is arguing that fact.....this isn't about what both flags might have once represented, it is about what they currently represent.
According to Louis Farrakhan, the Stars and Stripes represent white racism just as much as the Confederate flag represents white racism.

The fact is, you are willing to disregard and excuse what your side says was a horrible crime committed under one flag (the American flag), but not to disregard that same horrible crime when it was committed under a different flag (the Confederate flag.)

Your double standard completely negates both the logic and morality of your argument.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 01:25 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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According to Louis Farrakhan, the Stars and Stripes represent white racism just as much as the Confederate flag represents white racism.

The fact is, you are willing to disregard and excuse what your side says was a horrible crime committed under one flag (the American flag), but not to disregard that same horrible crime when it was committed under a different flag (the Confederate flag.)

Your double standard completely negates both the logic and morality of your argument.
Again, you are talking in the historical sense, I am not.....not sure how I can make that any more clear to you....regardless, it is a double standard if that makes you happy, but that doesn't change my opinion or views on the Confederate flag in regards to how I have seen people use it in today's world.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 05:20 AM
 
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According to Louis Farrakhan, the Stars and Stripes represent white racism just as much as the Confederate flag represents white racism.

The fact is, you are willing to disregard and excuse what your side says was a horrible crime committed under one flag (the American flag), but not to disregard that same horrible crime when it was committed under a different flag (the Confederate flag.)

Your double standard completely negates both the logic and morality of your argument.


Damn! You hit the nail!
 
Old 06-26-2015, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Nice try.

If two people commit the same crime, and you hold one accountable but the other not, then you are applying a double standard.

Both the Confederacy and the United States were guilty of practicing slavery.

Both.
No country is perfect, don't forget the United States abolished slavery and the Confederacy fought to preserve it. That changes the whole dynamic.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 06:01 AM
 
Location: DFW
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No country is perfect, don't forget the United States abolished slavery and the Confederacy fought to preserve it. That changes the whole dynamic.
Sorry but you should read the last few pages of this thread.
The US did not abolish slavery until after the war and actually practiced it until that point.

The war was much larger than the "innocent" North wanting to free the slaves.
 
Old 06-26-2015, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit
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And Lincoln's own words said that preservation of the Union was all that mattered.

If freeing the slaves would do it then that's what he would do.
If keeping the slaves would do it then that's what he would do.

The only inflexibility Lincoln voiced was that no new states could be slave states.
On that he stood firm.


The war was about preserving the Union.
And that was completely unacceptable to southern states, a future they in which would be severely outnumbered by free states. That is how much the South wanted to keep slavery. The war may have been about preserving the union. The root cause of secession was slavery.

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