"I Sometimes Don't Want To Be White Either" (Obama, dollar)

[hawaiian by heart]

^^^^^

Had you just taken the land without the use of germ warfare, genocide and unhonorable means it prob wouldnt be such an issue.

[dechatelet]

Originally Posted by hawaiian by heart

Gee so tell me when in history has the white race been down to 250,000 people? or has 5,000 to 9,000 full-blooded caucasians? Where can you show me where 2,312,352 whites were enslaved at one time besides the holocost in modern history? You see you think its because your white that your being picked on no. Your being picked on because no other people besides The mongal horde can commit genecide or perform such high acts against humanity so effectively. Then act proud about it or justify it.

White Europeans were under siege for one thousand years by Muslim conquerors who took Spain, the Balkans, North Africa and the Mediterranean.

Over that period, 260 million were killed, including Europeans, Africans, and Christians and Jews in the Middle East.

Gengis Khan killed 11% of the earth's population (40 million), many of them white.

The Aztecs decimated the non-Aztec population of Mexico, and practiced Cannibalism.

African tribes were eager participants in the slave trade, as were Muslims.

The Japanese murdered an estimated 7,000,000 people during WW II.

The Communist Chinese murdered at least 45 million.

It isn't only whites who commit genocide. And it isn't only non-whites who are the victims of genocide.

Other examples could be cited: Rwanda, Darfur, Cambodia. It would be nice if our schools actually taught history instead of "Blame White People Studies."

As for there being only 5-9,000 full-blooded Hawaiians, that is because Hawaiians have intermarried with non-Hawaiians. There has been no mass killing of Hawaiians that I am aware of.

[ReineDeCoeur]

Originally Posted by dechatelet

Wrong.

They're the ones who are paying for most of it.

They should...they use it the most.

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by hawaiian by heart

^^^^^ ^^^^^

You sure told me, not. Might is right as long as it goes in your favor.

Gee so tell me when in history has the white race been down to 250,000 people? or has 5,000 to 9,000 full-blooded caucasians? Where can you show me where 2,312,352 whites were enslaved at one time besides the holocost in modern history? You see you think its because your white that your being picked on no. Your being picked on because no other people besides The mongal horde can commit genecide or perform such high acts against humanity so effectively. Then act proud about it or justify it.

It is estimated that the 500 year genocide against native americans? Genocide vs Natives killed at least 75 million, some estimates as high as 112 million, in all the Americas. In what became the US, the population dropped from 12 to 18 million in 1492 to 250,000 in 1900.

Native Hawaiians this generation is on the verg of extinction. Only about 5,000 to 9,000 full-blooded Hawaiians remain. This is what needs to be acknowledged.

What you're doing is conflating "the Hawaiian race" with "the white race." Hawaiians are Polynesian Asians. Native Americans are also not their own race of people, but even if they are, the total number of Natives in the western Hemisphere did not get as low as you say. Also, full-blooded Hawaiian-ness is likely to continue to go down, with inter-marriage.

Also, it shouldn't have to be explained to you, but, a full NINETY FIVE PERCENT of native Americans did not die at the hands of war with a white person, but rather, old world diseases. And even there, "warfare" with the Natives was very complicated, including alliances with some tribes against others. It is not cut and dry as your elementary school text book made it out to be.


And no, "germ warfare" was not widespread. There is about ONE potential instance actually documented of a British solider suggesting infected blankets be given to some Natives, but most of the sensational accounts have been proven a HOAX by that fake-Indian, Ward Churchill. It's a shame, however, that rumor spreads faster than truth.



FINALLY:

Maybe you should crack open a history book if you want to know about white slavery. There is NOTHING that "white people" or "Europe" have done to anyone else that hasn't already been done to them by all the other "races" of the world. They were simply the last in time to do it and the most successful. (Though we see China with eyes on Africa today. But most are still whining about past-colonialism to see it happening right in front of their eyes again).

Modern slavery of Europeans? Research the Barbary Coast pirates, who were still capturing European slaves into the 1800s for sex slavery. MILLIONS were extracted from Europe during this time and sent to Arab and African lands for slavery. About as many as Africans were ever actually sent to the United States against their will.

Go back further, and Northern Africa conquered southern Europe for hundreds of years before the modern European colonial era, imposing a Muslim Caliphate and, again, siphoning off Europe's wealth and people. In-between you have invasions of the Asian Mongolian hordes, who reached into eastern Europe, pillaging, raping, murdering. You also have the Turks/Ottomans, who would use Balkan European CHILDREN as soldiers and slaves for their empire, again, into the 1800s.

Meanwhile, due to Arab trade boats, PLAGUE arrived in Europe from the Middle East, killing off 1/3 - 1/2 of the population in many areas of Europe during the Middle Ages.


No, "Hawaiian by Heart," maybe it's a little too much to ask people whose identities depend on being in opposition to "whiteness" to actually take an objective look at the world and history. Maybe a lot of that is white folks fault originally for creating such rigid racial categories, but it's 2015. Time to get with the program.



Besides, maybe we should play some more hypotheticals here... I think with no American presence, your pretty little Islands would have been the first major prize won by Japan, during their conquest of Oceania and Asia back in a little conflict of WW2. Maybe Hawaiian women would have been spared the same fate as the women in China during the rape of Nanking, or the "comfort women" of Korea. Maybe.

[lilyflower3191981]

Personally, I don't understand this kind of mentality. "Sometimes, I don't want to be white, either." What does it even mean?! It is like me saying, "Sometimes, I don't want to be human, I'd rather be a dog because dogs have no flaws." lol

History is written by the victors, said by Winston Churchill. However, to be a good historian is to dig deeper, to account for such actions and come to more fair and balanced conclusions. When we look back on significant historical events, from the Roman Empire and medieval Vikings through to the European colonisation of Africa and the 20th Century’s World Wars, we have a broader understanding of exactly what happened – and why it happened – that goes beyond what the victors would say.

As a person who is mixed German/Irish/Japanese/Hawaiian, I have learned from early age that freedom of speech is grossly limited. Something a Chinese and a Jewish folk can say is something a German and a Japanese cannot say.

Example: Mao is worse than the Japanese, if a Chinese say this, he is a balanced peace lover, if a Japanese says this, he or she is a history reversionist.

why hating being a white person? Your ancestors, your fate?

My ancestors were never involved with Nazi and Pearl Harbor or Nanjing massacre. They were professors, doctors, lawyers, factory workers, damn good artists, damn successful Business owners, etc, etc, etc.. They attend Ivy League and they joined the military to serve their country. I won't apologize for who I am, and I am proud of where I came from.

Somebody should inject higher dose of self love!

[lilyflower3191981]

Originally Posted by hawaiian by heart

^^^^^

Had you just taken the land without the use of germ warfare, genocide and unhonorable means it prob wouldnt be such an issue.

Sigh.

It's so lazy to blame white countries for every war in the world. The only difference is that we know the purpose of "history" and his advantages. Non-whites still kill people, "war and murder" is not a White privilege. If you examine history, the victims are not really that innocent either.

I am sick and tired of people constantly blaming one group for all the evil in the world because they started several wars. Look at the silent evil everybody chose to not notice.

Look at these worst genocide

Ze-Dong Mao (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) (see note 2)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians deliberately killed in WWII plus 3 million Russian POWs left to die)
Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908) 8,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 7,000,000 (the gulags plus the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Ottoman Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1980) 570,000
Suharto/Soeharto (Indonesian communists 1965-66) 500,000
Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39) 500,000? (Chinese civilians)
Jonas Savimbi - but disputed by recent studies (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71) 300,000 (Bangladesh)
Ante Pavelic (Croatia, 1941-45) 359,000 (30,000 Jews, 29,000 Gipsies, 300,000 Serbs)
Benito Mussolini (Ethiopia, 1936; Libya, 1934-45; Yugoslavia, WWII) 300,000
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) ?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
Suharto (Aceh, East Timor, New Guinea, 1975-98) 200,000
Ho Chi Min (Vietnam, 1953-56) 200,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99) 100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000
Syngman Rhee (South Korea, 1948-50) 80,000 (various massacres of civilians)
Richard Nixon (Vietnam, 1969-1974) 70,000 (Vietnamese and Cambodian civilians)
Efrain Rios Montt - but disputed by recent studies (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic, 1930-61) 50,000
Bashir Assad (Syria, 2012-13) 50,000
Francisco Macias Nguema (Equatorial Guinea, 1969-79) 50,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000
Chiang Kai-shek (Taiwan, 1947) 30,000 (popular uprising)
Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 (dissidents executed)
Francisco Franco (Spain) 30,000 (dissidents executed after the civil war)
Fidel Castro (Cuba, 1959-1999) 30,000
Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam, 1963-1968) 30,000
Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez (El Salvador, 1932) 30,000
Hafez Al-Assad (Syria, 1980-2000) 25,000
Khomeini (Iran, 1979-89) 20,000
Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe, 1982-87, Ndebele minority) 20,000
Rafael Videla (Argentina, 1976-83) 13,000
Guy Mollet (France, 1956-1957) 10,000 (war in Algeria)
Harold McMillans (Britain, 1952-56, Kenya's Mau-Mau rebellion) 10,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) ?
Paul Koroma (Sierra Leone, 1997) 6,000
Osama Bin Laden (worldwide, 1993-2001) 3,500
Augusto Pinochet (Chile, 1973) 3,000

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[hawaiian by heart]

Sigh again people have their political correctness shield up. I never said only white people or white countries commit genecide and deception! What i said was no other race besides maybe the race of the hoarding mongals is as effective in genocide (to the point of extinction) and deception. Sure during war body counts go up, the 1000 year religious wars had a body count of 260 million! But never were muslims or cathlics, christians on the verge of extinction! Nazis killed two thirds of all european jews during WWII. After the wars on the native american there population was down to 250,000 in 1900s. And by 1920 after contact with cook, the Native Hawaiian population had dwindled to just under 24,000, according to the U.S. Census."

You may justify or rationalise that it was by accident and not germ warfare the explorers brought but the truth is its hard to ignore that one is spreading diseases, its not like it was the dark ages in awareness. But to be fair,

Pg 1/2

[hawaiian by heart]

Pg 2/2

Even if the explorers and settlers going west knew it was happening i doubt it mattered much. They were appointed by god to spread the light(Manifest destiny).

Now in your political correctness shield you can make this a racist thing to defend yourselves? Or you can examine what is it in your culture that you can't just be victors or winners but have to be that football team that runs up the score. And back to the original point of posting on this topic. Its european/western people who will have to take responsibility for the actions of there ancestors(Manifest destiny) that today in the year 2015 they are still benefiting from.

[Loveshiscountry]

The actions define the individual.
Anyone who wants to, or allows themselves to be defined by whatever group they belong to, that's on them.

[petch751]

Originally Posted by hawaiian by heart

White guilt doesn't solve anything, but when we are preaching "we are the world or we are equal today" Please try to remember the facts that The wealth of white households was 13 times the median wealth of black households in 2013,

But... but.. but you voted Obama in the WH to CHANGE that. 7 years in... what happened? He lie again? Did he have you convinced if you supported him as he raised taxes on "the rich" you would get some of that? LOL

Obama's useful idiots lol