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Old 06-28-2015, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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So if the constitution can just be tossed aside now and same sex marriage is legal, why not polygamy and prostitution? If two consenting adults of the same sex can be married and its not hurting anyone, why can't 3, 4 or 5 consenting adults be married? Its not hurting anyone. Why can't two consenting adults exchange money for sexual intercourse? Its not hurting anyone. This my friends is what you call a slippery slope. You can start rationalizing many things now. Where do you draw the line?
What slippery slope? It is hypocritical of those who claim marriage be based on the Bible, and yet not follow David, Moses and Abraham.

Instead of worrying about who can get marriage license like everybody else, the religious zealots ought to push for what they think is in the Bible and polygamy is.
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Old 06-28-2015, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Mille Fin
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So if the constitution can just be tossed aside now and same sex marriage is legal, why not polygamy and prostitution? If two consenting adults of the same sex can be married and its not hurting anyone, why can't 3, 4 or 5 consenting adults be married? Its not hurting anyone. Why can't two consenting adults exchange money for sexual intercourse? Its not hurting anyone. This my friends is what you call a slippery slope. You can start rationalizing many things now. Where do you draw the line?
It's not a slippery slope - on the contrary, providing a legal framework to polygamy and prostitution would be helpful down the road. Prostitution dates back to early human history as does polygamy. Polygamy is even permitted in the bible.

The fact is prostitution should be legal TODAY, but the critical thinking abilities of a large part of the American electorate are simply absent - for many Americans, biblical principals are relied upon to provide a moral compass, sadly. One day when enough American voters have awoken from their religiously-induced intellectual slumber, it will become a viable platform goal for political candidates. Once it becomes legal we will all be better off.

Polygamy is a much more complicated situation because of the legal implications, and it's a far less pressing matter because cases of polygamy are not all that common.

So what slippery slope are you talking about? There are probably millions of Americans engaging in prostitution and polygamy as we speak. They did in the past and will in the future. How does providing a legal framework make things worse?

Please stop with this crappy slippery slope argument. Even republican so-called 'intellectuals' fail to give it any weight... so when it's in the hands of religious city-data posters, it just becomes a train wreck quite frankly.

The slippery slope argument is garbage, as are any other arguments purely derived from interpretations of the bible.

In a future society more advanced than our own:

- Prostitution will be legal, and the safety of prostitutes and their customers will be greatly enhanced as a result. Not to mention this will drastically reduce the size of the black market - sex transactions will be accounted for and taxable.

- polygamous 'unions' will be legal but subjected to a special set of rules of eliminate the risks for fraud, exploitation, what have you. Perhaps these types of unions will be legally referred to as 'polygamous marriages' to distinguish from marriage, or perhaps a different nomenclature will be employed.

- Incestual marriages between two consenting adult will be legal but will involve an even more complex set of rules & exception. I would imagine adoption rights would not be extended to such couples, nor would any other parenting-related measures or privileges. Keep in mind, incestual 'unions' between adults are outstandingly rare, and almost always the result of extreme environmental circumstances. But as of today there are no laws that can explicitly PREVENT siblings from trying to reproduce (probably the most dangerous implication of incest) despite the fact it is strictly forbidden. So really, by providing a legal framework we would be able to have a better handle on the handful of cases per decade where two siblings want to have a family.

- 'pedophile marriages' or adult-child marriages WERE permitted in the bible. Thankfully modern society did not refer to a 3000 year old fiction-based manuscript to draft age-of-consent laws, and today those laws are firmly established and strictly applied. despite conservative claims that 'we are allowing everything!' molesting a child has never been as harshly punishable as it is today, and through technology and enlightenment our society is increasingly apt at weeding out mentally ill individuals who are prone to child predation. One of the greatest advances in society's fight against pedophilia has come from our lifting the veil off the catholic church's insidious 1000+ years tradition of sexual abuse of young boys and girls. To claim gay marriage opens the door to pedophilia is astounding. It demonstrates a deep lack of understanding on so many levels and is embarrassing to read. Of course it also insinuates that homosexuality is some sort of middle ground between normal human relationships and child abuse.

Religiosity is a mental disorder that is capable of clouding the judgment of otherwise sound-minded individuals - this is fairly well documented in scientific literature. For those MOST affected, the process of unlearning falsehoods will take some time. So I don't blame social conservatives for holding such bewildering views sometimes. They are victims themselves, to a certain extent.


Hope this helps you understand.

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Old 06-29-2015, 02:06 PM
 
Location: When you take flak it means you are on target
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A black muslim should challenge the laws against polygamy.

Black? Why's everything gotta be black with yew people? Why not a japaneese muslim?

I'll tell you why they don't challenge it. When the muslim men finally get over here they are SOOO happy to get away from THREE nagging wives that changing the law never crossed their mind!
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Old 06-29-2015, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Islip,NY
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Lol!
In a "free" society, those things would be allowed!
While I don't want my husband to go to a prostitute, I really don't see what's wrong with mixing sex and money. You can have sex for a nice dinner (it's called dating) and that's legal. Why does the exchange of money make it bad? Just saying...it makes no real sense!
I agree
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Old 06-29-2015, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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what people are forgetting is that it isnt the fact that gay marriage is now legal in all 50 states. ok fine, you want to marry someone of the same sex as you, fine, where the problem comes in is people are being forced to go against their religious convictions and supply gay marriages or face a court of law, which means the first amendment, at least as far as the right to freely exercise ones religion goes, is out the window.

why yes you can be a christian, as long as you follow the proper scotus guidelines as to what to believe, the bible doesnt count anymore.
Yes, IFF they work for the government, they would need to be forced to submit the paperwork for the gay marriage or conduct a gay marriage if they conduct straight marriages for the government. A church don't however and public halls would definitely need to follow the laws. The muddiness is the whole business right to discriminate laws or those that only cite religious conviction when asked to do something for gays. We had this 60 years ago but with blacks. It was illegal then and still is.
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Old 06-29-2015, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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Only two adults? That's kind hurtful - some of us want as many marriage partners as we can get.
You can do that now. It just has to be consecutive partners, not concurrent.

I might add that you should be careful what you wish for...
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Old 06-29-2015, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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Prostitution should be legal.
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Old 06-29-2015, 02:46 PM
 
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So if the constitution can just be tossed aside now and same sex marriage is legal, why not polygamy and prostitution? If two consenting adults of the same sex can be married and its not hurting anyone, why can't 3, 4 or 5 consenting adults be married? Its not hurting anyone. Why can't two consenting adults exchange money for sexual intercourse? Its not hurting anyone. This my friends is what you call a slippery slope. You can start rationalizing many things now. Where do you draw the line?
What does this statement even mean? I always get a kick out of the right wingers that think watching a few hours of Fox News gives them the proper skill to review the work of Supreme Court justices. That and the fact that pretty much any court ruling they don't like is deemed to be unconstitutional or some other related nonsense, like the phrase that appears in the post I quoted.
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