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Old 07-01-2015, 08:55 AM
 
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Prove it. Prove that the purpose of ten commandment monument is to shove "it" down your throat



Ten commandments itself is historical in nature. Just like the Magna Carta, the Mayflower Compact, and the Declaration of Independence. There should be Magna Carta monument.

Still not a valid reason why the ten commandment monument MUST come down.
And religious statues are "historical in nature" why did they have such a big problem with other religions putting their monuments up? If they want to claim that a monument put up a couple of years ago is historic, then why stop the Hindu sculpture or the satanist sculpture?

 
Old 07-01-2015, 08:57 AM
 
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Yes.

Churches are built on private property. You did not know this?
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Violation of the US Constitution is sufficient reason to kick the monument out of public land and be planted somewhere on private property. That is expected in the USA.

Or, it will get messy when the government must approve any and all requests to install similar "monuments" that won't bode well with ten commandment pushers. Are you willing to go there?
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And religious statues are "historical in nature" why did they have such a big problem with other religions putting their monuments up? If they want to claim that a monument put up a couple of years ago is historic, then why stop the Hindu sculpture or the satanist sculpture?
3 vs 1

This is fun.

Well, Review this case

Beauman also told the CP that ACLU's "misinterpretation of the First Amendment" should not be allowed to uproot this fundamental freedom. "This public property has been used numerous times for other gatherings and displays," he said. "A public display, approved in the same way as other types of displays cannot be singled out for censorship simply because it is in the shape of a cross."

Read more at Judge to Decide If Indiana City Can Allow Churches to Display Crosses on Public Land
 
Old 07-01-2015, 08:59 AM
 
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And religious statues are "historical in nature" why did they have such a big problem with other religions putting their monuments up? If they want to claim that a monument put up a couple of years ago is historic, then why stop the Hindu sculpture or the satanist sculpture?
Because HINDU didn't help shaping American law, although it is a beautiful religion.

Magna Carta, the Mayflower Compact, and the Declaration of Independence and many others helped shaping American law.

No one was interested enough to set up a Magna carta monument. If they do, people should have no problem with it.
 
Old 07-01-2015, 09:00 AM
 
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3 vs 1

This is fun.

Well, Review this case

Beauman also told the CP that ACLU's "misinterpretation of the First Amendment" should not be allowed to uproot this fundamental freedom. "This public property has been used numerous times for other gatherings and displays," he said. "A public display, approved in the same way as other types of displays cannot be singled out for censorship simply because it is in the shape of a cross."

Read more at Judge to Decide If Indiana City Can Allow Churches to Display Crosses on Public Land
This case was ruled on based on the STATE constitution, which placement of even a donated religious monument on state property violates. The US constitution wasn't part of the ruling at all.
 
Old 07-01-2015, 09:02 AM
 
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3 vs 1

This is fun.

Well, Review this case

Beauman also told the CP that ACLU's "misinterpretation of the First Amendment" should not be allowed to uproot this fundamental freedom. "This public property has been used numerous times for other gatherings and displays," he said. "A public display, approved in the same way as other types of displays cannot be singled out for censorship simply because it is in the shape of a cross."

Read more at Judge to Decide If Indiana City Can Allow Churches to Display Crosses on Public Land
Put the monument on private land.

Yes, a display can be singled out for censorship if it is religious in nature. When the government starts showing preference to a particular religion, it is stigmatizing other religions. Which the government is not allowed to do.

Put the monument on PRIVATE land.
 
Old 07-01-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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This case was ruled on based on the STATE constitution, which placement of even a donated religious monument on state property violates. The US constitution wasn't part of the ruling at all.
I simply don't understand why do you have such problems with this monument when it has not hurt anybody in any way.
 
Old 07-01-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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Because HINDU didn't help shaping American law, although it is a beautiful religion.

Magna Carta, the Mayflower Compact, and the Declaration of Independence and many others helped shaping American law.
But you said that the 10 commandments is a historical monument. ALL religious monuments are historical.

Historical - of or concerning history; concerning past events. Many religions pre date the big 10, why wouldn't they be considered "historical"? Baphomet was even mentioned in the bible why should the statue of Baphomet be refused?
 
Old 07-01-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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I simply don't understand why do you have such problems with this monument when it has not hurt anybody in any way.
Why does the state have problems with the other monuments that people want to put up? They haven't hurt anyone either.
 
Old 07-01-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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But you said that the 10 commandments is a historical monument. ALL religious monuments are historical.

Historical - of or concerning history; concerning past events. Many religions pre date the big 10, why wouldn't they be considered "historical"? Baphomet was even mentioned in the bible why should the statue of Baphomet be refused?
Ten commandments is historical in nature when it comes to help shaping American law.

That is what I meant.
 
Old 07-01-2015, 09:05 AM
 
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I simply don't understand why do you have such problems with this monument when it has not hurt anybody in any way.
Because it does hurt people.

We have a secular government in the United States. Not a theocracy. Any steps toward a theocracy hurt people who don't belong to the preferred religious group, because it suggests that their beliefs aren't valid.
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