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View Poll Results: Do you Believe this young man should be Charged with Animal Cruelty and why or why not?
YES 6 27.27%
NO 15 68.18%
I DON'T KNOW 1 4.55%
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Old 07-02-2015, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Yes, if the dog died because of his criminal negligence.

The dog was in his care and do to his negligent behavior the dog died.

He may have tried to save the dog and may even be sorrowful but that doesn't relieve him of his responsibility to the care of that animal.

This is in no way relatable to hunting dogs used in a responsible manner that may die because of that hunting activity.
then why not start fining and charging puppy mills with criminal negligence? Do you have any idea what those dogs go thru all their lives.

and why not start charging the same to people who throw their dogs in dumpsters, etc.....?????
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Old 07-02-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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Yes, if the dog died because of his criminal negligence.

The dog was in his care and do to his negligent behavior the dog died.

He may have tried to save the dog and may even be sorrowful but that doesn't relieve him of his responsibility to the care of that animal.

This is in no way relatable to hunting dogs used in a responsible manner that may die because of that hunting activity.
I am not sure there is a safe way to turn dogs out on a bear.
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:04 AM
 
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then why not start fining and charging puppy mills with criminal negligence? Do you have any idea what those dogs go thru all their lives.

and why not start charging the same to people who throw their dogs in dumpsters, etc.....?????

Works for me you won't get any disagreement from me on that.

However you need to separate and not conflate the two different situations.

If I was the DA I would charge him ESPECIALLY given his past history of negligence.

Is there hypocrisy on this subject? No doubt, we are dealing with humans.
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:15 AM
 
Location: North America
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I don't know the laws in NJ, so I don't know if he broke the animal cruelty law. It may include negiligence, which would apply.

But if you can arrest someone for being an idiot, he would be guilty as charged.
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Works for me you won't get any disagreement from me on that.

However you need to separate and not conflate the two different situations.

If I was the DA I would charge him ESPECIALLY given his past history of negligence.

Is there hypocrisy on this subject? No doubt, we are dealing with humans.
yes, indeed, he does have a past history, but to get him on Animal Cruelty is just down right vengence....

was it irresponsible, yes
was it wrong, yes
was it a real dumb thing to do, absolutely,
but he didn't do it with the intention of killing or hurting his dog.
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:16 AM
 
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yes, he did, but he didn't deliberately kill his dog....
what he did was stupid...but when he took his dog into his truck, he wasn't thinking, "I'm going to kill my dog tonight".

and there are witnesses who saw him jump in and try to save the dog, they had to hold him back....


it was a terrible thing to do, however, I cannot and will not, justify, 3 counts of animal cruelty....especially when other people leave their dogs sit in a hot car, intentionally throw a dog away into some dumpster, or the puppy mills....

whoever charged him is nuts....I'm sorry but that person should be fired.
He would have been charged if it was a human who AGREED to go along nonetheless had no choice in the matter.
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:17 AM
 
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yes, indeed, he does have a past history, but to get him on Animal Cruelty is just down right vengence....

was it irresponsible, yes
was it wrong, yes
was it a real dumb thing to do, absolutely,
but he didn't do it with the intention of killing or hurting his dog.
When you hit someone with your car unintentionally and kill them you get charged with vehicular manslaughter. I don't see why animals should not get the same consideration.
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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He would have been charged if it was a human who AGREED to go along nonetheless had no choice in the matter.
uh huh, absolutely, but it wasn't a human...and he dove in to try and save his dog, they said he was grief stricken....

honestly I understand your point, but can you see mine? There is a fine line here....

and I don't believe he deserved that....
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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When you hit someone with your car unintentionally and kill them you get charged with vehicular manslaughter. I don't see why animals should not get the same consideration.
I totally disagree, cuz now your opening another can of worms and each and every circumstance is different.
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:27 AM
 
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I am not sure there is a safe way to turn dogs out on a bear.

There isn't and I've hunted on dogs for both bear and pig. Well until Kommiefornia outlawed the practice

However these are sanctioned legal events and those dogs are trained, bred and well taken care of for that purpose also al the dog guides I ever hunted with took great care to try and keep their dogs out of trouble as it is an expensive hit to lose a good dog.

This guy was being a criminaly negligent dumbass not only did he risk his own life needlessly and that of his dog but the first responders that dispatched to the scene. Not to mention the recovery crew to get his truck up off the river bed as it continued to pollute the waterway.

No I'm am of the mind that the DA needs to throw the book at this idiot and if animal cruelty fits so be it.
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