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Old 07-24-2015, 07:24 AM
 
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Fair enough. I wasn't clear on his question.
Here's over 5 million years of climate history:
NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Earth's Climate History: Implications for Tomorrow

We know the difference between the natural warming cycles throughout history and what is occurring unnaturally today.
They know nothing of the sort. They don't even know how the climate actually operates, they don't even know everything about our oceans, they didn't know anything about Pluto, they don't know ****!!!!!!!!

 
Old 07-24-2015, 07:25 AM
 
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They know nothing of the sort. They don't even know how the climate actually operates, they don't even know everything about our oceans, they didn't know anything about Pluto, they don't know ****!!!!!!!!
Considering you've articulated (and demonstrated) that you have no scientific background to know what researchers understand or do not understand, please provide peer reviewed citations that prove your claims about their lack of knowledge.

Thank you.
 
Old 07-24-2015, 07:27 AM
 
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Considering you've articulated (and demonstrated) that you have no scientific background to know what researchers understand or do not understand, please provide peer reviewed citations that prove your claims about their lack of knowledge.

Thank you.
What is the main source that causes global warming or climate change?
 
Old 07-24-2015, 07:28 AM
 
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Wow. This is fascinating trying to engage with minds like this who are so desperate to take anything they can out of context for a cheap win. I'm speaking from a scientific perspective, not political. Let's mature this conversation.

So, what I said "I don't know" about is one storm, one season, and what causes it. I said that because I am educated enough to know that it takes time passing to measure climate.

I also never said anything about taking "radical action", whatever that means. I've actually explicitly said I support market-based solutions to this global warming problem that every major scientific organization in the world confirms we have created.
You aren't qualified like everyone else here to talk about anything scientific. I've asked you a few times now if you were a scientist and you refuse to answer, but you tell everyone how uneducated they are. Give it a rest, you are a Degrowther, it's obvious. You are using this meme of market based solutions because you know people are on to the heavy hand of government in this issue, you are trying to spin it in a new direction but are all for the same action and results. If you were a true real thinker you would question all these failed models and predictions, you would question the data tampering and lies, but you don't. It's obvious what you are doing.
 
Old 07-24-2015, 07:35 AM
 
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You aren't qualified like everyone else here to talk about anything scientific. I've asked you a few times now if you were a scientist and you refuse to answer, but you tell everyone how uneducated they are. Give it a rest, you are a Degrowther, it's obvious. You are using this meme of market based solutions because you know people are on to the heavy hand of government in this issue, you are trying to spin it in a new direction but are all for the same action and results. If you were a true real thinker you would question all these failed models and predictions, you would question the data tampering and lies, but you don't. It's obvious what you are doing.
You've never asked me if I am a scientist. You must be confusing me with someone else. I have a science degree. I work closely with scientists. I've formally studied and worked with this research.

None of that matters though because the "I'm not a scientist" excuse radical politicians use isn't valid. Anyone can educate themselves about the research. It is made public.

You keep bringing this back to politics. I'm focused on the science here, as I've already explained to you I have no interest in ruining the economy to fix this problem, so you can stop with that degrowther, whatever that means.

The predictions haven't failed. The earth is warming faster than median predictions. Oceans are warming faster. Sea levels are rising faster than predicted. Ecosystems are shifting. Storms have increased 3mph in intensity and have declined in frequency by 6.1%, which all aligns with predictions.

Look, you're just not educated on this topic so you think what you believe is true. Take up your matter with all the scientific organizations around the world who disagree with you. I'm not going to keep trying to help you understand because you clearly already made an assumption and are seeking evience to support your dogma.
 
Old 07-24-2015, 08:43 AM
 
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What is the main source that causes global warming or climate change?
Solar Activity, techtonic plate movement, Volcanoes, Changes in reflectivity and of course gases in the atmosphere all have contributed to climate change.
 
Old 07-24-2015, 03:42 PM
 
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Solar Activity, techtonic plate movement, Volcanoes, Changes in reflectivity and of course gases in the atmosphere all have contributed to climate change.
Those are all factors of varying degrees, but she asked what the main source of global warming is. Scientists have strong measurements of the impact those other factors have and they are minimal compared to CO2 specifically produced by humans.

Here's a nice series of graphs to help you understand it better:

What's Really Warming the World? Climate deniers blame natural factors; NASA data proves otherwise
 
Old 07-24-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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Those are all factors of varying degrees, but she asked what the main source of global warming is. Scientists have strong measurements of the impact those other factors have and they are minimal compared to CO2 specifically produced by humans.

Here's a nice series of graphs to help you understand it better:

What's Really Warming the World? Climate deniers blame natural factors; NASA data proves otherwise
Wrong. If you knew science like you say you do you should know the answer, barring the Sun, in which, by the way, not studied enough in its role in earth's weather by those who receive monies by governments and ignored by IPCC. CO2 is not the dominating factor in global weather and you should know this. Let me rephrase the question, "what, in the Earth's atmosphere, causes global weather change, be it cooler or hotter, the main culprit? By the way I'm an old man.

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Old 07-24-2015, 07:36 PM
 
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Wrong. If you knew science like you say you do you should know the answer, barring the Sun, in which, by the way, not studied enough in its role in earth's weather by those who receive monies by governments and ignored by IPCC. CO2 is not the dominating factor in global weather and you should know this. Let me rephrase the question, "what, in the Earth's atmosphere, causes global weather change, be it cooler or hotter, the main culprit? By the way I'm an old man.
Let me guess....Is it God?
 
Old 07-24-2015, 07:43 PM
 
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Let me guess....Is it God?
It really is obvious. "86" volcanos and you are left with the only one thing that is truly a green house gas, a gas, that we as a species are blessed with. Its green house effect is paramount compared to C02, especially in recent history (within the last million years or so.)
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