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I don't know anything about Buffalo or that area, I guess I could google it if you wanted to have a pointless fight about something not important to either of us....
So why did you write:
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Originally Posted by urbanlife78
Nothing like slaughtering a group of people and then naming things after them to remember the Native American past.
Wait, so since America slaughtered Native Americans, the answer is to remove any reference to them?
I must have been channeling your when I wrote:
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez
I just can't believe anyone would ever use a Native American word for woman to refer to a Native American woman. It's just outrageous.
I'm pretty much for banning any Native American words, symbols or references. The sooner we can erase any reference to Native Americans, the better.
The day we can have all people believe the first humans to live in America were from Europe will be a proud day for all of us.
Now, let's get going on the renaming of the Atlanta baseball team.
I think it should be the Atlanta Colonists. That name can be used to celebrate the first humans to arrived in North America who would eventually make their way down to Atlanta.
Wait, so since America slaughtered Native Americans, the answer is to remove any reference to them?
I must have been channeling your when I wrote:
No, I did not say we should remove any reference to them. You seem to either miss my point or pretending you didn't understand it....either way, not really important, you either got what I said or you didn't.
No, I did not say we should remove any reference to them. You seem to either miss my point or pretending you didn't understand it....either way, not really important, you either got what I said or you didn't.
Let's see here.
An island was named by La Salle's men before any Native Americans were slaughtered.
They used the word "squaw" which was a Native American word for "woman" long before it was considered derogatory.
Now, it has been renamed.
So, I guess I really don't get what your saying, since the reason for renaming it appears to be just PC run amok.
Seems to me, they replaced a stupid name with another stupid name. Wiki says the Seneca's always called it Deyowenoguhdoh. Since, that's the island's real name, that's what they should have officially renamed it.
"Squaw" is a Native American term, so if it is offensive, it is the fault of Native Americans.
There is no "Native American term". Squaw appears to be derived from an Algonquin word for woman or wife. The eastern Great Lakes and Buffalo area were populated by Iroquois. Just because a French explorer passing through named it Squaw Island on his map doesn't mean that the Indians suddenly started calling it that. The word is currently used in a derogatory way, local Indians asked for the island to be renamed, and local elected officials agreed. I can't figure out why some posters are taking a stand on this local issue and bitching about the name change.
An island was named by La Salle's men before any Native Americans were slaughtered.
They used the word "squaw" which was a Native American word for "woman" long before it was considered derogatory.
Now, it has been renamed.
So, I guess I really don't get what your saying, since the reason for renaming it appears to be just PC run amok.
Oh good, it was named before any Native Americans were slaughtered....that makes it so much better. Seriously, it is just an island, names change from time to time, if the people who live there now feel the name should be changed, it is none of anyone else's business.
Sorry, I didn't realize I was talking to people who took everything literal...."we" in that post meant the people who first came to this country, the people who would be our (not sure yours, specifically) ancestors.
You didn't follow what I was saying again. When you use "we," you are implying that all settlers, inclusively, went out and started slaughtering Native Americans. So again, we've circled back around to an earlier question: do you really think that everyone who came to America from Europe immediately went out and started killing Native Americans? Is that your belief?
My opinion is that they all, inclusively, did not. I'd wager that I am correct. So, rather than saying "we" (as if it not only includes every colonist, but you and me as well), why not use the more accurate reference of "those who were responsible." You don't hang all the residents in an entire town because a couple of residents committed a murder--why are you basically doing that with these people?
If there are seven green gumballs and twenty blue gumballs in a dish, you can't call them all green. Even if there were only one blue gumball, you still can't call them all green.
You didn't follow what I was saying again. When you use "we," you are implying that all settlers, inclusively, went out and started slaughtering Native Americans. So again, we've circled back around to an earlier question: do you really think that everyone who came to America from Europe immediately went out and started killing Native Americans? Is that your belief?
My opinion is that they all, inclusively, did not. I'd wager that I am correct. So, rather than saying "we" (as if it not only includes every colonist, but you and me as well), why not use the more accurate reference of "those who were responsible." You don't hang all the residents in an entire town because a couple of residents committed a murder--why are you basically doing that with these people?
If there are seven green gumballs and twenty blue gumballs in a dish, you can't call them all green. Even if there were only one blue gumball, you still can't call them all green.
No, though I know the difference between a figurative phrase and a literal phrase.
You didn't follow what I was saying again. When you use "we," you are implying that all settlers, inclusively, went out and started slaughtering Native Americans. So again, we've circled back around to an earlier question: do you really think that everyone who came to America from Europe immediately went out and started killing Native Americans? Is that your belief?
By definition "settlers" pushed Indians off the land and reduced their hunting grounds. The expanding frontier of 'civilization' was the scene of many battles, attacks, and massacres.
There is no "Native American term". Squaw appears to be derived from an Algonquin word for woman or wife. The eastern Great Lakes and Buffalo area were populated by Iroquois. Just because a French explorer passing through named it Squaw Island on his map doesn't mean that the Indians suddenly started calling it that. The word is currently used in a derogatory way, local Indians asked for the island to be renamed, and local elected officials agreed. I can't figure out why some posters are taking a stand on this local issue and bitching about the name change.
First off, NOBODY ever said the Native Americans named that island Squaw Island or called it that. We've specifically said that it was named with a Native American word that means "woman". Guess what, we're not calling the vast majority of places in the US by the names of what Native Americans called them, the Europeans and then Americans gave most places their names, and that is what we go by.
I'm not taking a stand that the local officials can't rename an island when a few people with nothing better to do decides this is their newest outrage. I'm pointing out how stupid it is that anyone is outraged with something like the place being called Squaw Island.
But, you're right, I can't get over how many times I see the KKK and other hate groups going around with "Squaw" on signs. It truly is the big derogatory word of the day. {Sarcasm off}
Once again, we can we start the campaign to have the word "taco" removed from restaurant menus?
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