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Old 07-09-2015, 08:30 AM
 
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Uh... it's winter in Australia. That's why it's cold.
Yup winter in the Southern Hemisphere. -111F in Antarctic. Ice sheet collapse will have to wait until next summer




If ice melt from Greenland continues to pour into the North Atlantic, it might cause the Gulf Stream to change course or shutdown which will dramatically cool Europe (on the order of about 5C).


https://twitter.com/Reportingclimat/...39489778810880


https://twitter.com/Reportingclimat/...23327591854080
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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I'm Swedish and Norwegian...I'll take some more cold weather. It's in my DNA.
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Japan
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They're going further and actually trying to argue that those colder winters can be expected as a direct result of anthropogenic global wa-...Climate Change.
Maybe someone is, but that isn't what the article in the OP is saying.
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:37 AM
 
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There are two things that drive AGW hysteria and will always be behind the latest scientific discovery;

1. Increased government revenue. There will never be a new AGW discovery that reduces government revenue.

2. Increased government control over the people. There will never be a new AGW discovery that expands freedom and reduces government power.
Excellent analogy.

We will always, always, always see new demands, more draconian laws and dictates to how we live our lives, new taxes, new fees, stiffer penalties and punishments by government, as they exert more control, squeeze out our freedoms.

AGW requires government to control and manage the food we eat, the energy we consume, the homes we live in, the products we purchase or manufacture, the way we conduct business and manufacturing, the way we use our land and private property, nothing we do will be out of bounds from government control.

But government needs to move quickly, before this 19 year hiatus, or pause in mean average global surface temps turns into 30 years. Because if government can enact their draconian laws, regs and controls in time, they can point to the current pause in global warming as proof that their controls, taxes, and laws work. Then any week of warm or cold, or severe weather will justify more controls, more laws and regs, and more intrusion into our lives, to save the planet.
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:41 AM
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Yup winter in the Southern Hemisphere. -111F in Antarctic. Ice sheet collapse will have to wait until next summer




If ice melt from Greenland continues to pour into the North Atlantic, it might cause the Gulf Stream to change course or shutdown which will dramatically cool Europe (on the order of about 5C).


https://twitter.com/Reportingclimat/...39489778810880


https://twitter.com/Reportingclimat/...23327591854080
Maybe you get your Greenland news from authoritative reference material:

_"Times Atlas publishers apologise for 'incorrect' Greenland ice statement"_
"HarperCollins says it stands by the accuracy of the maps, but the media release suggesting 15% of Greenland's permanent ice cover had melted was incorrect"

"Despite criticism of the claim by scientists, a spokeswoman for the atlas had, as recently as Monday, issued a robust defence of the claim, saying: 'We are the best there is ... Our data shows that it has reduced by 15%. That's categorical.'"

Times Atlas publishers apologise for 'incorrect' Greenland ice statement | Environment | The Guardian
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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^^

That was 5 years ago, and yes, cartographers make errors. From your link:

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Prof J Graham Cogley, professor of geography at Trent University in Canada, said: "What may have happened is that somebody has examined a satellite image and mistaken the snowline for the ice margin. Snow is much brighter than bare ground, but it is also a good deal brighter than bare ice, of which there is quite a lot in summer around the margin of the Greenland ice sheet."

However we have satellite data and as skeptical as I am about climate models, and future warming, we can't deny the fact that Greenland (much moreso than Antarctica) is losing ice mass. Unless you don't believe in satellite data



https://twitter.com/PeterGleick/stat...82480695685120
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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From the link in the OP:

The Met Office uses a climate model known as HadCM3 to make long-term predictions. In this study, several hundred slightly different versions of the model were run to help represent uncertainty in the atmosphere and ocean climate system, for instance in winds and temperatures. The models were also run backwards in time and were assigned degrees of reliability according to their ability to simulate recent climate changes.

The results give a sense of short-term unpredictability of the weather in any given year, rather than merely highlighting what a “typical” year might look like – something not helped by the usual portrayal of projected temperature trends as a smooth line.


In other words, they have no freaking clue what the hell they are doing. So they need to run a few hundred computer programs until one lucky model is singled out to have predicted the climate of the past, and the future that the AGW freaks desire.

This will all be well and good, until the future once again becomes the observable present, and all their predictions fall flat on their face again.
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:53 AM
 
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https://twitter.com/Reportingclimat/...10716113215488
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Old 07-09-2015, 08:55 AM
 
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We really don't know how much of the melting is "man made" and how much is from natural variability.... Case in point Antarctica


https://twitter.com/Reportingclimat/...77648820690944
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Old 07-09-2015, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Sooooo very cold winters caused by the earth heating up.

Did someone's head just explode?
The Earths atmosphere, and Oceans act like a big heat engine or heat pump. If you don't think heat engines can make a place colder just turn on your AC or climb in a refrigerator and shut the door! Please.
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