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Texas is a great example of how you can't place a state in one category. It's considered a red state but Houston, Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio are very liberal.
True - it's not a matter of Political "red & blue" ...... it's Urban Centers vs Non Urban Centers. This is true in most (if not all States).
The original question is "which would come to the other side?".
Can Highly Concentrated Urban Centers exist without what the Non Urban Centers provide? Or is the reverse true? Can Non Concentrated Urban Centers exist with out the Big City? Houston is uniquely positioned for energy, but not any better off when it comes to Food and Water.
Thinking about it - not too many oil/gas wells, Agriculture Farms/Ranches or even Lakes in the middle of those Highly Concentrated Leftist Urban Centers. It would be an interesting experiment if each side had to make do with what they produce. Maybe the Big City could raise enough food on roof gardens, tougher to do in the winter.
I think the progressive Republicans neocons are almost as bad as the Democrats. I think it would be better to divide the country by descent, eg, New Europe, New Africa, and New Mexico (they can keep the illegals). If progressive liberals couldn't play the identity group card and shame card, they would be pretty powerless in New Europe. The result would end up looking like old Europe., Old Africa and Old Mexico and they'd all be trying to get into New Europe.
We're already divided every which way. Maybe we should be using our energies trying to figure out how to unite us. This dividing thing isn't working out to well for us, we the people. It's only working out for our rulers, who couldn't be happier with how torn apart the country is.
I was hoping people might see the differences and it would make one realize the party lines are only helping the losers on Pennsylvania ave. Not the people they serve one bit.
Want a one party government move to China. sorry but the rest of us are just fine with living with people that have different beliefs than ours.
Missing the whole point of this thread. Was trying to show both sides have good and bad and we need one as far as the people are concerned. But we stay divided.
Sorry, luv.
Simplified red and blue thinking goes nowhere. It never does. It never did.
I was hoping posters here on CD would use their minds and realize after thinking about the question, there is good and bad both sides. But I digress, was hoping I didn't have to spell it out. Hec woulda been easy to put say 51 questions with A and B answers. Winner is side you pick. Wanted peeps to discover it for themselves........
It has been done before, and quite recently; Czechoslovakia went through an "uncontested divorce" some years ago, and Norway broke away (peacefully) from Sweden in the late Nineteenth Century. Canada appears to be moving in that direction because of the French separatists in Quebec, and if it's consummated, I have few doubts about which side is going to be worse off.
But it's not always so:
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Originally Posted by armourereric
We could do like India and Pakistan after their independence: Have everyone self segregate.
Anyone with inclinations in that direction should read Collins and LaPierre's Freedom at Midnight, an account of the parliamentary challenges and vicious street-fighting that accompanied the partition of India in 1947. A new retrospective, Midnight Furies; The Legacy of India's Partition, by Nisid Hajari, is showing up in bookstores and libraries this month.
Fortunately for all of us, the two visions and the people who hold them are dispersed enough that partition would seem only a last resort. And there's the hope that individual states will find solutions to individual issues, and that those solutions will take root. Among the more-populous states, Iowa and my own Pennsylvania seem to be in synch with that approach, and Maine, while a small player, is likely the most bipartisan state of all. Unfortunately for all of us, the average politician seldom is able to see beyond the next election.
We need more parties, not less, as the current system ignores the needs and blocks the self-determination of 50% of the country or better. If we were a country of a single nationality, two or less parties might work. In our multinational country, the effect that two parties has is to force large groups of people to either ignore their self-interest for the benefit of more powerful groups or to not participate.
If the country were to be split, no simple boundary drawing exercise would suffice if it were to be long term successful. People would largely not be able to simply stay where they are. Mass movements of people would be necessary. The country would have to be regionally divided. Dividing it based on the positions of the current political majority of every metropolitan area would never work for a variety of obvious reasons.
In order to better assure long term peace, the political boundaries would have to primarily take into account the economic and natural resource aspects of the land within either boundary. For instance, unrestricted ocean access in important for trade and thus economic viability - and the more the better. Thus, allocating one new nation the middle of the country, while others took most of either of the coastlines would not be feasible (we would likely need a minimum of a 3 way split). Second, the amount of desert wasteland in this country is often underestimated. Most of the West is uninhabited, and so telling one group that this is what they have would lead to future conflict. These type of considerations could go on and on... After they are worked through, then one might be able to look at the actual population makeup of any one area in consideration for the least uprooting strategy for the majority of people, but it certainly wouldn't be the first nor likely the second consideration.
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