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Old 07-13-2015, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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All that shows is that social conservatives tend to be racist.

And yes, those same social Southern conservatives are today's GOP base. The irony is that today's GOP is made up of many poor people in red states....who would vote Dem if not for the GOP playing the race card. It all began in the 1960s, during the Vietnam War, with many of those "Dixiecrats" being appalled by the counterculture movement. A movement which was 100% right about the Vietnam War.

As a Democrat, I am glad those "Dixiecrats" are no longer part of our party.

Good riddance.
I've lived all over this country, and by far the most racism I've come across is in the north and the Midwest. Most of it didn't come out of the mouths of conservatives, either.

The amazing thing to me is that liberals consistently accuse conservatives of being racist when in all actuality most conservatives just want everyone to be treated equally based on ability, rather than treating certain groups as special because of race or gender. There is a small but vocal group of conservatives who are against things like gay marriage, but they don't represent conservatives as a whole. Most conservatives could care less about social issues.

On the other hand, liberals espouse a belief that one's race, gender, or sexual preference entitles one to special treatment because without government intervention minorities are incapable of succeeding.

Who is more racist? Those who believe in equal treatment for equal ability or those who think minorities are incapable of achievement on their own?
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:18 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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I've lived all over this country, and by far the most racism I've come across is in the north and the Midwest. Most of it didn't come out of the mouths of conservatives, either.

The amazing thing to me is that liberals consistently accuse conservatives of being racist when in all actuality most conservatives just want everyone to be treated equally based on ability, rather than treating certain groups as special because of race or gender. There is a small but vocal group of conservatives who are against things like gay marriage, but they don't represent conservatives as a whole. Most conservatives could care less about social issues.

On the other hand, liberals espouse a belief that one's race, gender, or sexual preference entitles one to special treatment because without government intervention minorities are incapable of succeeding.

Who is more racist? Those who believe in equal treatment for equal ability or those who think minorities are incapable of achievement on their own?

That should be a no-brainer, however; many on the left would still consider that racist.
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:20 AM
 
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You contradicted yourself 10 times over.
You've got to kind of feel sorry for these more establishment-type Repubicans like the OP, continually having to make excuses for the far right socially regressive conservatves Tea Party types who they need in order to stay relevant, so they must defend no matter how odious. It must be galling to have to defend the racists in their midst simply because they need their votes so badly.

Although it is amusing to watch the contortions they will resort to to pretend those hood-wearing regressives are not really part of their party. The constant dance of deflection such as the one the OP has been doing all over this board has been fun to watch.

I'm with Mikey CNY above, though--I, too, am glad they're no longer part of the Democratic party. The GOP is welcomed to them.
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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You've got to kind of feel sorry for these more establishment-type Repubicans like the OP, continually having to make excuses for the far right socially regressive conservatves Tea Party types who they need in order to stay relevant, so they must defend no matter how odious. It must be galling to have to defend the racists in their midst simply because they need their votes so badly.

Although it is amusing to watch the contortions they will resort to to pretend those hood-wearing regressives are not really part of their party. The constant dance of deflection such as the one the OP has been doing all over this board has been fun to watch.

I'm with Mikey CNY above, though--I, too, am glad they're no longer part of the Democratic party. The GOP is welcomed to them.
The last hoods I saw were on a group of Democrats in Iowa. You were saying?
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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All that shows is that social conservatives tend to be racist.

And yes, those same social Southern conservatives are today's GOP base. The irony is that today's GOP is made up of many poor people in red states....who would vote Dem if not for the GOP playing the race card. It all began in the 1960s, during the Vietnam War, with many of those "Dixiecrats" being appalled by the counterculture movement. A movement which was 100% right about the Vietnam War.

As a Democrat, I am glad those "Dixiecrats" are no longer part of our party.

Good riddance.


"As a Democrat", you are poorly informed.

All but two of those Dixiecrats (Thurmond and Godwin) remained Democrats for the balance of their political careers.

Moreover, Godwin, after becoming a Republican, was endorsed by the NAACP.

With the exception of the two officeholders mentioned, Dixiecrats didn`t leave the Democrat Party and they didn`t stop being racists.

They just found new and more politically advantageous ways to be racists from within the Democratic Party.
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Check out NC and see where the hoods are now. The GOP wanted them and now they got them. Keep them.
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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"As a Democrat", you are poorly informed.

All but two of those Dixiecrats (Thurmond and Godwin) remained Democrats for the balance of their political careers.

Moreover, Godwin, after becoming a Republican, was endorsed by the NAACP.

With the exception of the two officeholders mentioned, Dixiecrats didn`t leave the Democrat Party and they didn`t stop being racists.

They just found new and more politically advantageous ways to be racists from within the Democratic Party.
Exactly
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Arlington VA
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"As a Democrat", you are poorly informed.

All but two of those Dixiecrats (Thurmond and Godwin) remained Democrats for the balance of their political careers.

Moreover, Godwin, after becoming a Republican, was endorsed by the NAACP.

With the exception of the two officeholders mentioned, Dixiecrats didn`t leave the Democrat Party and they didn`t stop being racists.

They just found new and more politically advantageous ways to be racists from within the Democratic Party.

The electoral map says otherwise.

In what bizzaro universe do you see today's Republican Party being strong in the Northeast and West Coast (regions that Abraham Lincoln carried), and today's Democrats doing well with Southern whites? The opposite is true.

Yesterday's Dixiecrats = today's GOP. PERIOD. How else do you explain the Deep South and Southern whites voting in ridiculous margins for the GOP? (in some cases, getting 70% of the vote in states like Missisiippi and Alabama)

How else do you explain all the GOP bedwetting over the confederate flag's removal from public places?

You can blame Nixon's "Southern Strategy" for that.

Thankfully, we don't need the South to win elections anymore.
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:47 AM
 
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The KKK was formed and populated from its inception almost exclusively by Southern Democrats. When this movement finally and mercifully began to fizzle out after World War II, especially in the late 1950's and early 1960's, the Democrats realized they needed to find a new flag carrier for their platform of promoting racial intolerance and discrimination. Which they did, by transferring the racist banner from the white racist groups to the black racist groups like the NAACP and the CBC in the middle to late 1960's.

The only political party that has ever advocated true non-discriminatory, colorblind racial policies is the Republicans. They were the ones who defeated slavery under Lincoln, they voted for the Civil Rights Act by larger margins than the Democrats in 1964, and they continue to push for this same sort of non-discriminatory colorblind justice to this very day.
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Old 07-13-2015, 11:48 AM
 
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You've got to kind of feel sorry for these more establishment-type Repubicans like the OP, continually having to make excuses for the far right socially regressive conservatves Tea Party types who they need in order to stay relevant, so they must defend no matter how odious. It must be galling to have to defend the racists in their midst simply because they need their votes so badly.

Although it is amusing to watch the contortions they will resort to to pretend those hood-wearing regressives are not really part of their party. The constant dance of deflection such as the one the OP has been doing all over this board has been fun to watch.

I'm with Mikey CNY above, though--I, too, am glad they're no longer part of the Democratic party. The GOP is welcomed to them.
"I, too, am glad they're no longer part of the Democratic party. The GOP is welcomed to them."


Dixiecrat Senators who remained Democrats:


(D)VA Harry F. Byrd, 1933-1965
(D)VA A. Willis Robertson, 1946-1966
(D)WV Robert C. Byrd, 1959-Present
(D)MS John C. Stennis, 1947-1989
(D)MS James O. Eastland, 1941-1941,1943-1978
(D)LA Allen J. Ellender, 1937-1972
(D)LA Russell B. Long, 1948-1987
(D)NC Sam Ervin, 1954-1974
(D)NC Everett Jordan, 1958-1973
(R)NC Jesse Helms, 1973-2003
(D)OK Thomas Pryor Gore, 1906-1921,1931-1937
(D)AL J. Lister Hill, 1938-1969
(D)AL John J. Sparkman, 1946-1979
(D)FL Spessard Holland, 1946-1971
(D)FL George Smathers, 1951-1969
(D)SC Olin D. Johnston, 1945-1965
(D)AR John McClellan, 1943-1977
(D)GA Richard B. Russell, Jr., 1933-1971
(D)GA Herman E. Talmadge, 1957-1981
(D)TN Herbert S. Walters, 1963-1964


Dixiecrat Senators who became Republicans:


(D,R)SC Strom Thurmond, 1954-1956,1956-2003





Dixiecrat Governors who remained Democrats:


Benjamin Travis Laney, Arkansas Governor
Fielding Wright, Mississippi Governor
Frank M. Dixon, Former Alabama Governor
William H. Murray, Former Oklahoma Governor



Dixiecrat Governors who became Republicans:


Mills E. Godwin Jr. governor of Virginia
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