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Old 07-12-2015, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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If you are curious about the history of this specific statue, here is a great write up about it....also another very important fact, this statue sits on private property so it is the land owner's choice. Something right wingers should be willing to respect
It can be seen by the public, and from the public thoroughfare.


I have no problem with someone owning this statue but it should be kept behind closed doors where the public can't see it.
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Old 07-12-2015, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It can be seen by the public, and from the public thoroughfare.


I have no problem with someone owning this statue but it should be kept behind closed doors where the public can't see it.
And? you can see the Empire State Building too, but that doesn't make it public. So do you also think people should only keep the Confederate flag on private property behind closed doors where the public can't see it?
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Old 07-12-2015, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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So "it's only about the flag on public buildings" is it? Give them an inch and they take a mile.

Group calls for removal of Confederate monument in Seattle | Local & Regional | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News

For more than a century, Lake View Cemetery has been the final resting place for many of Seattle's pioneers.

"Just because it's a military memorial doesn't justify it," Charlette LaFevere says. "It's offensive."

LeFevere is part of a small group calling on Seattle City leaders to have the 89-year-old United Confederate Veterans Memorial taken down.


And yet they have no problem with a statue of mass killer, Lenin in Seattle.

Is it a shock to anyone she is a white progressive liberal feminist? Why are white people so up in arms against anything they perceive to be relatively connected to slavery, something which is occurring in countries all over the world at present? Do they care or even acknowledge the fact? Does it cleanse their otherwise RACIST souls to be such A-holes? There is no other explanation for it. Not even the great divider makes such a big deal of it and he is a racist.
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Old 07-12-2015, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Is it a shock to anyone she is a white progressive liberal feminist? Why are white people so up in arms against anything they perceive to be relatively conneccted to slavery, something which is occuring in countriew ll over the world at present time? Do they care or even acknowlege that? Does it cleanse their otherwise RACIST souls to be such A-holes? There is no other explanation for it. Not even the great divider makes such a big deal of it and he is a racist.
Well Bush was too busy starting two wars with Middle East countries to worry too much about racial divides in this country.
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Old 07-12-2015, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Well Bush was too busy starting two wars with Middle East countries to worry too much about racial divides in this country.
He also doesn't come across as a RACIST. Progressive liberals do and are. Isn't Seattle up around your neck of the woods?
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Old 07-12-2015, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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He also doesn't come across as a RACIST. Progressive liberals do and are. Isn't Seattle up around your neck of the woods?
I disagree with you, racism isn't exclusive to any one political party or political ideology. Though I am betting you already knew that even though you wrote this post....
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Old 07-12-2015, 09:06 PM
 
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If you are curious about the history of this specific statue, here is a great write up about it....also another very important fact, this statue sits on private property so it is the land owner's choice. Something right wingers should be willing to respect.

Fremont’s Lenin statue traces journey from Slovakia
I think you aren't making a good argument here.

#1 The Confederate Statue in Seattle being attacked by liberals is ALSO on PRIVATE PROPERTY and run by an independent non-profit organization.

#2 I am no friend of confederates and I am not right wing on a lot of issues.

#3 The history of the statue is irrelevant to the fact that Lenin was a mass murderer of political dissenters. Something TRUE liberals should be horrified over. Also, my link also discussed the irrelevant history of the statue.

#4 If I had a Hitler statue with "history" in my front yard, I highly doubt my neighbors would say "wow look at the history of that statue." They would and should say Hitler is an evil symbol and it is a blight on the community. I would not blame them for using any peaceful political mechanism to try and get that removed from my front yard and if the law agrees with them or I cave they win. Communities are notorious for making certain standards of appearance and message by laws and by persuasion. My community legally forced a man to remove countless messages written on his home. That was the law.

#5 The question remains, why no fuss over a Lenin Statue. If you oppose the confederacy for the evils of slavery, how can you not oppose a man that supported the evils of murdering political dissenters by the tens of thousands. Lenin supported slavery, slavery of the mind to his thoughts.
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Old 07-12-2015, 09:11 PM
 
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I'd like to call for the removal of Seattle
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Old 07-12-2015, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I think you aren't making a good argument here.

#1 The Confederate Statue in Seattle being attacked by liberals is ALSO on PRIVATE PROPERTY and run by an independent non-profit organization.

#2 I am no friend of confederates and I am not right wing on a lot of issues.

#3 The history of the statue is irrelevant to the fact that Lenin was a mass murderer of political dissenters. Something TRUE liberals should be horrified over. Also, my link also discussed the irrelevant history of the statue.

#4 If I had a Hitler statue with "history" in my front yard, I highly doubt my neighbors would say "wow look at the history of that statue." They would and should say Hitler is an evil symbol and it is a blight on the community. I would not blame them for using any peaceful political mechanism to try and get that removed from my front yard and if the law agrees with them or I cave they win. Communities are notorious for making certain standards of appearance and message by laws and by persuasion. My community legally forced a man to remove countless messages written on his home. That was the law.

#5 The question remains, why no fuss over a Lenin Statue. If you oppose the confederacy for the evils of slavery, how can you not oppose a man that supported the evils of murdering political dissenters by the tens of thousands. Lenin supported slavery, slavery of the mind to his thoughts.
False, if you realized what I said in my first post in this thread, you would realize I agreed with the mayor of Seattle, this is on private property so there isn't anything the city can do about that, just like the Lenin statue.

Sorry, not you specifically because you clearly do not identify as right wing or conservative. I don't know how you see yourself politically, though I am guessing it is not liberal.

Actually the history of the statue and the artist who made it is very interesting, it is also a rare statue that showed Lenin for who he really was. If you aren't interested in the history of it, then that is your problem, I simply gave you a link that told you or anyone else who wished to click on it the history.

And again, you would be in your right to put up a Hitler statue in your front yard if you wanted, much like your neighbors would be free to have a negative opinion of you. The beauty of a free country. Let us know how that Hitler statue is coming, I am curious what it will look like.

And for your last question, you assume there has been no fuss over the Lenin statue....is that because you just heard about it and have yet to bother to look up if it ever bothered anyone? I find the history interesting, I think it is an inappropriate statue, but it is on private land, so there isn't much I can do but have a negative opinion of Lenin. Though with that said, I do not have a negative opinion of the art or the sculptor.
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Old 07-12-2015, 10:09 PM
 
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Seattle, yeah.....I can see the Mau-Mau'ers "pressuring" the cemetery until they relent!
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