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It was NEVER the argument of the right that America sign a status of forces agreement that left Americans at the whim of Iraqi courts. That is a lie. you need to apologize. period.
More disgusting right-wing revisionist history. Guess what? The SOFA signed by your darling Bush in 2008 DID leave American contractors, and to a limited extent, U.S. forces under the authority of the Iraqi courts. Show me ONE post where ANY right-wing shill disagreed with that provision...just one.
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There was an still is an argument that mr Obama is an utterly failed negotiator who in the end wanted out of Iraq so bad that he negotiated poorly then used the excuse that the agreement was all wrong.
NOW we are saying.... Obama sucks at negotiations.
That provision was a line in the sand for the Iraqi gov't. Absent Iraq budging, what was Obama to do? Well, I guess he could have signed anyway, but unlike Bush, Obama was NOT willing to to hang our people out to dry. Knowing that, show me ONE post of ANY righty that agreed that Obama could not sign that agreement with that provision in place. Just one.
One of the most historic agreements between 6 nations to prevent Iran from getting nuclear arms for the next 10 years and the response is the "4 detainees were not released".
The hatred for this president and the total disregard for what's best for our country is stunning
One of the most historic agreements between 6 nations to prevent Iran from getting nuclear arms for the next 10 years and the response is the "4 detainees were not released".
The hatred for this president and the total disregard for what's best for our country is stunning
Meh, quit your sniffing. The Looney Left wasted no time in expressing their hatred of GW Bush.
The president brought it on himself.
Most people would not have thought of the hostages if Garrett had not been doing his job. So, good for you, Major! Now, ask him about his grades! Or, all about all those Red Lines. Or, ask him to tell us again about all the money we're going to be saving on health care.
Ask him how much the budget deficit is!
Or ask him when his new transparent government is going to start!
You go, Major!
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That's the point; he didn't ask that. He implied that Obama was content. That's asking a very personal and insulting question. That's asking about the President's emotions.
FORMER Marine. He was not active duty Marine. He committed a crime in Mexico. When citizens of other countries commit crimes here, they are given a trial. We don't just release them to their home country. Should that be different for other countries? We are special, or something?
Heya, be committed a crime in Mexico. His biggest, not having enough Yanqi denero, to vet the Mexican cops to just game his gun and let him go. Like they just don't even pay the slightest attention to squads of heavily armed cartel goons. Because the goons boss owns their boss, bjf, hey, tossing a gringo in a Mexican $h17hole is not only cool, but great fun, and the ranker gegs a new GH , AND whatever cash the gringo has, AND a car. Spare me any defense of the Mexicans in that incident.
No better, maybe worse, than the Iranians. Whilst I'm thinking the Americans held in Iran , lime those "hiker" kids, did pug themselves, rather willfully, in harms way, the question still had merit. If some leftist MSNBC hack bad asked the same question, of a Republican prez, leftys would be all yammering for an answer. So, maybe, leftys have their own share of "schills" and "hacks".?
Fact is , this deal is Obamas baby. Even many Dems in congress are not in agreement with it. Enough to force a veto and possible over ride. Only the most extreme sycophants are all the way behind Obama on it. Its a dangerous dance, and its leaving a mess for the next prez and congress to deal with. One we won't be hearing about for the next 8 years, pointing the finger back at him. Not without the shrillest of yowling from Obama worshipers.
Honestly, the way the far left just swoons on everything Obama does is..disturbing. And, bear in mind ttbe last mid term election results. What are the swooners and crooners going to do if the 2016 general goes the other way? And the left loses its executive, pen power, legislation? I'm saving a special box of popcorn.
...Garret did not ask that. Instead, he asked that Obama explain why he was "content" with them being in prison. That is not a question about the prisoners, or the negotiations around them, it's a question about the president's feelings. And the president called him out on his rude question, and then addresses what was actually important.
Obama IS content with Americans rotting in Iranian torture dungeons.
That is obvious.
So pointing it out is perfectly legitimate.
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I do not like Obama one bit but we really do not know what the negotiations were about behind closed doors on the US side or when or delegates met with the Iranians.
Those alleged "closed door" negotiations have been going on for years, and we have nothing to show for them.
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That's called Extra-Territoriality, and is obviously a concept with which you're not familiar.
It's irrelevant.
The U.S. was in a position to occupy Iraq on its own terms, not Iraq's terms.
Obama could have said we are staying, and you're not going to have jurisdiction over our troops and contractors whether you like it or not.
What were the Iranians going to do if they didn't like it?
Invade California?
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...Garret was out of line for assuming any participant came back from a deal of this magnitude "contented."
In other words, Obama negotiated a bad deal.
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That's the point; he didn't ask that. He implied that Obama was content.
Obama IS content.
More than that, he is taking his usual victory lap for committing yet another act of treason.
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More disgusting right-wing revisionist history. Guess what? The SOFA signed by your darling Bush in 2008 DID leave American contractors, and to a limited extent, U.S. forces under the authority of the Iraqi courts. Show me ONE post where ANY right-wing shill disagreed with that provision...just one.
Why should we?
It is obvious that not one real conservative would have approved of that nonsense.
Bush represented the mainstream Republican Party, not the many conservatives here who disapproved of his policies (including immigration and overspending).
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Absent Iraq budging, what was Obama to do?
Tell Iraq that coalition soldiers and contractors would not be subject to Iraqi jurisdiction, whether Iraq liked it or not. The same thing Bush should have said.
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...If some leftist MSNBC hack bad asked the same question, of a Republican prez, leftys would be all yammering for an answer. So, maybe, leftys have their own share of "schills" and "hacks".?
Yes, but there's a silver lining. I invited a few of my non-aligned voter friends to peruse this and a few other similar threads, and they walked away saying they'd never vote for a Republican again. It's working well.
YourBS meter is pegged, but if it makes you feel better, continue on
I know right. Don't ever ask OBAMA a legitimate question. Because you will not get a logical answer. Don't ever ask the jerk a negative question, in relation to himself or administration. Because we have seek the bully in action have we not.
A very straight forward question, which Obummer cannot handle.
He handled it and he handled it real good. He put that buffoon in his place
If you offer straw man arguments as a part of your question, you can expect them to be thrown back in your face, and that is exactly what happened.
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Now, ask him about his grades!
Or, all about all those Red Lines. Or, ask him to tell us again about all the money we're going to be saving on health care.
