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Well maybe if the private sector offered a comfortable living condition like the past, we wouldn't be looking to the government to do something about how difficult it is becoming to make ends meet in the USA.
I agree it's not the governments place to provide much of this stuff to most people. I think it's in the best interest of this nation, however, to have the best quality of life we can - and to foster a private sector which can provide that.
The lingustics in your post say it all- It is not Government that pays for it. You and I are paying for it.
We have been helping the poor for 50 years. We have the same amount of poor now as we did when the war on poverty started. It was been as successful as the war on drugs. - Not true. Poverty has dropped off since LBJ - as much as I loathe him for Vietnam.
Have you ever found a social program you did not support? Plenty of them. Mostly aimed at businesses, sovereign and local governments, and those here illegally.
How much of my labor should be taken from me to provide more handouts? I already work the first 3 to 4 months of the year just to pay my taxes. I don't have an answer specifically tailored for you.
I'm not blaiming poor people for anything. I expect poor people, like I expect everyone else, to provide for themselves. The "safety net" is for those that are truely disabled, not those who made poor life choices. If poor life choices were actually punished instead of rewarded people would stop making poor life choices.
Making poor life choices to you would probably be choosing to be a cop or a teacher, or even your regular office worker. Those are the people whose taxes have increased over the past 20 years from inflation. At least vets get free education and healthcare!
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We have been at war a lot, and the total spent on war is still not that much
compared to everything else. We have spent trillions on war over the past 10 years and we are trillions in debt more since that same period. We've approached a debt which is 100% our GDP, something not seen since WW2
How about we start cutting federal education spending since schools are local to help the poor? Economic suicide. Maybe push back the age one can collect social security to help the poor? Remove self choice from food stamps and require only healthy cheap food option which would reduce costs and provide more nutrients meals to children? Remove the financial incentive to have children. No problems with these, actually Many optional federal programs can be cut to help the poor, yet the only thing you are worried about is the constitutionally mandated defense spending.
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Thank god it will be Millenials paying for the Free Sh*t Army from here on out. They voted for this. Raise their taxes.
Yeah, we'll be fixing the past generations blood lust and desire to continuously throw our own into harms way. We're going to need to if we don't want to become Greece.
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If businesses had more more they would reinvest back into business to make more money.
The only way a business can grow is to sell what it does. People need money to buy stuff.
I have decided that the way to get rich in the USA is to own a business. Everything I do could be a business expense. Then like all the giant multinationals, I can hire folks to make the world think my taxes are so high we cannot expand and hire folks. All the while, the laws allows me to pay NO federal taxes.
Making poor life choices to you would probably be choosing to be a cop or a teacher, or even your regular office worker. Those are the people whose taxes have increased over the past 20 years from inflation. At least vets get free education and healthcare!
Yeah, we'll be fixing the past generations blood lust and desire to continuously throw our own into harms way. We're going to need to if we don't want to become Greece.
Poor life choices is not taking advantage of the free education you are provided. Having children you cannot afford and out of wedlock, not getting up to go to work, abusing alcohol and illegal drugs. Those are the poor life choices to lead to becoming poor.
Life is only has hard as you make it.
If you have have a child while being married. Not marry until you are older than 21 and finish high school you are almost statistically garuanteed to be middle class. Doing those three things seems to be hard for some and people need to take responsibility for their actions.
Well maybe if the private sector offered a comfortable living condition like the past, we wouldn't be looking to the government to do something about how difficult it is becoming to make ends meet in the USA.
You're just going to have to dial down you life-style and Standard of Living a bit.
Get over it.
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Welfare expenditures are nothing compared our military spending.
You take $1.3 TRILLION annually from people like me to pay for 83 over-lapping welfare programs.
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In theory that is true. But are you ready for the massive civil unrest that would cause?
You got drones for that.
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They are not getting this for nothing. And they also pay taxes, too - such as state, local and sales taxes (which are regressive).
The only way a business can grow is to sell what it does. People need money to buy stuff.
I have decided that the way to get rich in the USA is to own a business. Everything I do could be a business expense. Then like all the giant multinationals, I can hire folks to make the world think my taxes are so high we cannot expand and hire folks. All the while, the laws allows me to pay NO federal taxes.
This just shows how little you know about business. I would love for you to try and run a successful business while employing 5-10 people.
This has to be the most delusional post I have seen this month and that is saying something on this forum.
Poor life choices is not taking advantage of the free education you are provided. Having children you cannot afford and out of wedlock, not getting up to go to work, abusing alcohol and illegal drugs. Those are the poor life choices to lead to becoming poor.
Life is only has hard as you make it.
If you have have a child while being married. Not marry until you are older than 21 and finish high school you are almost statistically garuanteed to be middle class. Doing those three things seems to be hard for some and people need to take responsibility for their actions.
Stupid should hurt.
I could write a book in response to your post. It's hard to sum up my opinion in a post as poignancy needed for a forum like this.
But I guess what I'm saying is there shouldn't need to be such restrictions on such a large amount of people. Also, it's sad to see a nation which defined constitutional freedoms turn into the most incarcerated thanks in part to the war on drugs.
Life is only as hard as your luck allows for. Many are born into what has become a hopeless situation because economic mobility has taken a nosedive in this nation. Many reasons have caused this and most of these reasons can be tied to a consolidation of wealth at the top and a moving of much of it overseas.
For one thing, abolishing them would exclude millions from participating in the economy, which would slow down the economy.
Got math?
Show us the numbers.
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If you get rid of welfare in the US, what you are left with is a third world country.
Um, States are free to set up and run their own programs.
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Paying for those welfare programs does not make taxpayers poorer, it more than pays for itself.
Yes, it does make taxpayers poorer
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If we have public healthcare our costs on that would be significantly reduced.
You're note allowed to have public healthcare...read the US Supreme Court's Sebelius decision, if you don't understand why.
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We pay more in health per capita than countries with single-payer systems.
Now explain why.
Okay, then I will explain why using your own government.
"As personal income increases, people demand more and better goods and services, including health care. This means that holding other factors constant, as higher personal income increases the quantity and quality of care demanded, overall health care spending increases as well. GDP is a good indicator of the effect of increasing income on health care spending."
Source: United States Government General Accounting Office GAO-13-281 PPACA and the Long-Term Fiscal Outlook, page 33.
The Costs of Healthcare:
1] Technology up to 65%
2] Consumer Demand up to 36%
3] Expanding Health Benefits or Insuring more people up to 13%
4] Healthcare Price Inflation up to 19% (caused by Consumer Demand and insuring more people)
5] Administrative Costs up to 13% (caused by Technology, Consumer Demand and Regulations)
6] Aging/Elderly up to 7%
Source: United States Government General Accounting Office GAO-13-281 PPACA and the Long-Term Fiscal Outlook, January 2013 pp 31-36
These programs actually create wealth. For one thing, abolishing them would exclude millions from participating in the economy, which would slow down the economy. Secondly, the cost of ER visits, arrests, survival-motivated theft, and security systems far outstrips the cost of paying for welfare programs.
Most rich people are intelligent enough to realize that paying $36 a year for welfare programs more than pays for itself for these reasons. They also know that their life would be better if they don't have to step over emaciated people on the street and worry that their house will be ransacked by the starving, angry impoverished masses. If they didn't realize that, they'd just go and live in a third world country where life is much cheaper, but also much more dangerous and uncomfortable.
If you get rid of welfare in the US, what you are left with is a third world country.
If that was even remotely true (which it is not), then we're clearing doing it wrong. If welfare recipienst can become wealthy on the benefits taxpayers provide, our system of benefits needs to be scraped post haste.
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