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We already have this "hybrid" system where someone works at Walmart for minimum wage while collecting government assistance. Pretty much modern day workfare. It's actually pretty hard to get welfare in this country. The conservatives like to think there is a slew of young able-bodied males sitting on welfare playing video games. It's next to impossible to collect, and if you somehow qualify it's barely anything. We have no problem spending billions on broken fighter jets that are basically kickbacks to contractors.
Not only that, but people who do get welfare have to constantly keep up with paperwork and meetings in order to continue receiving it. Which are often quite complicated to answer, require an address to receive, etc. I'm sure there are many poor people who lose their benefits just because navigating the system is so tricky.
We already have this "hybrid" system where someone works at Walmart for minimum wage while collecting government assistance. Pretty much modern day workfare. It's actually pretty hard to get welfare in this country. The conservatives like to think there is a slew of young able-bodied males sitting on welfare playing video games. It's next to impossible to collect, and if you somehow qualify it's barely anything. We have no problem spending billions on broken fighter jets that are basically kickbacks to contractors.
36% of Americans are on one or more welfare programs in the US as of 2012.
Government reports are years behind FYI.
It is not charity to say a person should not be paid pennies because a company wants to make a huge profit. Companies in Europe make big profits, but still pay their employees well and give great benefits. In the absence of a minimum wage or unions companies will pay employees less than their actual worth. We know this because it happened before the 1930s.
FDR said it best:
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"No business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country... By living wages, I mean more than the bare subsistence level - I mean the wages of a decent living."
What if they are an atheist, or don't have a family? Soup kitchens can only go so far.
I think you're making the wrong argument here. The real argument is why do the people who hate paying for someone's food, shelter, job training, and healthcare when it's a part the welfare system, accept those same entitlements when it's part of the prison industrial complex?
You have people "mad" about someone getting $100/month in food benefits, so their solution is to lock them up for $30k/year.
I think you're making the wrong argument here. The real argument is why do the people who hate paying for someone's food, shelter, job training, and healthcare when it's a part the welfare system, accept those same entitlements when it's part of the prison industrial complex?
You have people "mad" about someone getting $100/month in food benefits, so their solution is to lock them up for $30k/year.
....Thats probably one of the more insightful things I have read here lately.
No worries, they will get around to making sure prisoners replace the mexicans in cheap farm labor....Eventually converting us to a country where 90% are in jail, and working for corporations.
So let's not rely on religious organizations overly much.
I stated that I'm not sure relying on faith-based organization is workable.
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I am against federal funds being diverted to charity. This should be handled at the local level. The poor will not breed if they have no hope of getting additional support for increasing their family size.
Support should be two meals a day and safe place to sleep with a work requirement for able bodied adults.
That's an intriguing suggestion.
People make good points about "corporate welfare" but over-reproduction does cause human suffering. When a mother has 6 children between ages 16 and 26 those children are not going to be encouraged to do homework or given the support needed to be a success in life. Those are tragedies.
It's not sufficient to point to the grotesque amounts raked off by executives of failed businesses to say that this kind of reproduction should go on.
I'll probably be hung/drawn/quartered for saying this, but I'll acknowledge the pink elephant in the room anyway...
If conservatives are truly serious about reducing the number of people on welfare, they will fully endorse comprehensive sex ed classes in public schools. They will want to make it EASY for even the poorest to access birth control and condoms. They will be pro-choice and make it possible for those in need to be able to terminate their pregnancies. In fact, they'd push to open more abortion clinics.
Because guess what? If you make it difficult for impoverished people to prevent their reproduction, there are two outcomes when the offspring are born:
1) They're raised by their (statistically likely) single mothers, and require YOUR tax dollars to support them all.
2) They become wards of the state, requiring YOUR tax dollars to support them.
In both cases, they're statistically likely to not attain an education, to be perpetually unemployed as adults, continue the cycle of reproducing when they can't afford to, and end up incarcerated (more of YOUR tax dollars going bye-bye).
So, conservatives need to make up their minds. Pro-choice or pro-welfare? Or are they only pro-life until the life in question is outside a woman's stomach?
Because let's face it. Poor people will not stop having sex. Sex is free. The consequences are not.
I prefer sterilizing anyone who does not finish high school or is arrested more than twice in their life.
And if they couldn't get a job, they would create one for themselves.
We were a nation of entrepreneurs before the Government dole came to town ...
Look around at our history ... Most of the organizations and big Corp's were founded long before there was a Government feed trough.
Families took care of their ailing parents, farms actually produced food, and we thrived ...
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