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Choosing to have an abortion, and having your fetus unlawfully killed by someone else, are not the same.
One is legal murder and the other is illegal murder? You can't have it both ways. Irregardless whether a mother wants a doctor to do it, or whether a prowler breaks into her home and night and does it
Many on the Pro choice side object to fetal homicide laws
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Those on the other side feel that laws to protect a fetus could become a "slippery slope" that could jeopardize a woman's right to choose an abortion. Pro-choice advocates say such laws grant a fetus legal status distinct from the pregnant woman - possibly creating an adversarial relationship between a woman and her baby.
With consistency in mind, I'm sure that you would agree that they, both, must be carried out with, and only with, the consent of the courts.
No, I'm not that consistent actually. I don't think anybody should need a court order to stop a pestering growth in their body, especially if it could end in an injury or fatality. Or even if she doesn't want her vagina ripped open or guts pulled out.
No, I'm not that consistent actually. I don't think anybody should need a court order to stop a pestering growth in their body, especially if it could end in an injury or fatality. Or even if she doesn't want her vagina ripped open or guts pulled out.
If the mother was at risk (in terms of health), a court system would be obligated to approve the abortion.
The question only comes into play when the mother (and fetus) can survive birth. Since the mother already decided to risk having the child by mounting her vagina on the penis (with exception to involuntary mounting), the court may not allow for the abortion. It's an interesting legal and ethical debate.
One could argue that a court order mustn't be required for the death penalty. For example, hypothetically speaking, one could argue that if a man gets my underage daughter pregnant, I, without the consent of the court, would be just in carrying out the death penalty on this man for placing a growth in my daughter.
If the mother was at risk (in terms of health), a court system would be obligated to approve the abortion.
The question only comes into play when the mother (and fetus) can survive birth. Since the mother already decided to risk having the child by mounting her vagina on the penis (with exception to involuntary mounting), the court may not allow for the abortion. It's an interesting legal and ethical debate.
One could argue that a court order mustn't be required for the death penalty. For example, hypothetically speaking, one could argue that if a man gets my underage daughter pregnant, I, without the consent of the court, would be just in carrying out the death penalty on this man for placing a growth in my daughter.
You can't have it both ways.
Why wait for a court order if a health issue is in the balance? Can you say "nanny state"?
It's not an interesting legal debate in my view - that fetus certainly dies without the carriers bodily function, but at the same time it's causing the carrier hell and possibly will give that carrier hell in the future. At this point, it's a parasite. A parasitic life form doesn't deserve protection by the state in my view.
However, an autonomous being such as a child rapist deserves a trial by jury, as it can assert a defense and possibly cast doubt that he never raped your daughter. But if he's in the act of raping your daughter, such as is the same as a parasite feeding on my internal organs and nutrients, then you have a right to terminate that life without a court order as well.
If you where aware of "PAIN" as a fetus, then you surely would have remembered the experience of being born and set free from confinement, since your senses would have been even more acute. Did it hurt when they cut your cord also? You should have remembered that also, right?
Apples and oranges.
The umbilical cord doesn't have nerves.
Non-aborted 5 year olds don't remember what they did…when they were 2 years old.
It doesn't mean that a fetus doesn't feel pain. While being aborted or birthed.
"Remembering" isn't the point.
So really, what is your point?
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NO, according to all the Studies that have been done. No pain is felt. They have scientific ways of checking responses for that, which far supersedes some Religious opinion.
What studies would those be?
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