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Why do you keep copying and pasting this old post of yours when it has been debunked as blog junk science over and over again?
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Ummmmm...................... YES!
The fossil record and ice cores are the best evidence we have for climate patterns on the earth. This is the largest collection of data that we have available, yet the left conveniently always ignores this data. Why? Because it refutes the concept of man made global warming and does not fit thier warped, cult like agenda which condemns valid science.
Nope, climate scientists do not ignore ice cores and fossil records. They study them. That's one reason they know about past climates.
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1. CO2 levels now are lower than the averages on earth over time. What we need is more CO2, not less.
Nope. C02 levels haven't been this high since about 3 million years ago during the Pliocene.
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2. CO2 levels increase AFTER temperatures increase. This is demonstrated in ice cores. Saying CO2 causes warming is like saying that lung cancer causes smoking.
Nope, whatever conspiracy blog or tabloid press piece you got that idea from, they are cherry-picking one part of one ice-core study and you believed them without checking the facts. C02 levels have been shown to both follow and precede temperature increases depending which hemisphere is looked at. Is there some reason you don't know about that? Or don't know anything at all about basic atmospheric physics?
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3. The greatest "green house gas" is water vapor, which far eclipses any impact of CO2.
Water vapour is a result of increasing temperature, not a driver, and only stays in the atmosphere for a short time before condensing and falling as rain. CO2 stays in the atmosphere for decades or longer absorbing and reradiating infrared radiation.
I don't think you understand how much scientists know. No scientist ever said the earth hasn't warmed, or been warmer, before. What is happening today is unprecedented in its speed and is driven primarily by human factors, not natural.
Here's a history of the earth's climate going back more than 5 million years and how it relates to what is happening today, particularly with a civilization built up:
The sad part is that the temperatures and CO2 levels are not "unprecedented" and has happened MANY, MANY times in earth's history. In fact, CO2 levels and temps are LOWER than at most times in earth's history. CO2 levels now are abnormally low- what we need is more CO2, not less.
We are suffering from a perilax issue, in which the history of the earth is viewed from a viewpoint of the last 100 years, rather than last 100 million years. If you are reading a book, do you plaster it against your face, or do you hold it about 18 inches from your eyes so you can see the whole page?
LOOK AT THE FOSSIL RECORD AND THE ICE CORE DATA. If you looked at this, you would no longer believe in "man made global warming".
You want to look into the past to know the future? Science can do that....This paper notes there is evidence indicating that average temperatures just 1 degree Celsius warmer than today caused sea levels to rise 16 to 30 feet and fed extreme storms thousands of years ago.
"The paper has already ruffled some, including Associated Press science writer Seth Borenstein, who said on Twitter that he would not cover it -- primarily because it had not yet been peer-reviewed, a process that allows other scientists to critique the work."
4. There are fossils of tropical plants, animals, and coal above the artic circle, which post date current continental positions. Did clever, prankster cave men dig these up from tropical regions and transport them thousands of miles to fool us in the future, or were these areas once tropical?
Is this supposed to be a serious question? The climate has changed in the past and was mostly triggered by orbital changes (the Milankovitch cycles). But that is not what is happening now. We are not in a warming phase of the Milankovitch cycles. The earth has been in a long term cooling trend since the peak of this Holocene interglacial period about 8000 years ago and should have naturally continued for many thousands years into the future. Except the long term cooling trend started to reverse more than a 100 years ago when C02 levels started to rise. There were no orbital changes and no real changes in the sun's total solar irradiation (other than a slight decrease in TSI in the past few decades) that can have caused this rapid temperature increase.
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5. Layers of sediment on dried lake beds show CYCLICAL warm and cold periods in earth's history every 20,000 years.
Yes, we all know the climate has changed in the past. What's your point? It's as illogical as saying "forest fires started naturally in the past, therefore humans can't start forest fires"
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6. Solar activity and the wobble of the earth's orbit contributes to cyclical changes in climate.
The climate has changed in the past and glacial-interglacial periods were mostly triggered by very slow orbital changes (the Milankovitch cycles). But that is not what is happening now. We are not in a warming phase of the Milankovitch cycles. The earth has been in a long term cooling trend since the peak of this Holocene interglacial period about 8000 years ago- until about 100 years ago.
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7. Volcanic activity far eclipses any impact by man on emissions in the atmosphere.
No. Volcanic activity only emits about 1% of the CO2 that humans burning fossil fuels do.
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8. The earth is now entering a cooling, not a warming phase.
No. We are not in a warming phase of the Milankovitch cycles. The earth has been in a long term cooling trend since the peak of this Holocene interglacial period about 8000 years ago- until about 100 years ago.
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9. Taxing CO2 does not change emissions (even if global warming is real)- it just redistributes money.
That's a political claim, not a scientific one.
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I remember in the late 1970s and early 1980s when it was rumored that the left was going to declare CO2 a "pollutant" in order to curb industrial production. Everyone laughed, as such a notion is insane. Now we have the lunatics running the asylum and the absurd is taken as the gospel truth, in defiance of rational science.
From the conspiracy blog pseudoscience nonsense you post on this topic, you don't seem to understand the meaning of 'rational science'
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"Global Warming" turns valid science upside down and violates the cornerstone of the scientific method- refuting the null hypothesis. In what other realm of science is further or contrary information derided and villified? None- only cults do this.
No. It doesn't. [MOD CUT/rude]
It's a shame you can't cite even one published research paper or a textbook to support your pseudoscience claims above. Because there aren't any.
If the majority of the "community agreed" would we believe we could change it :-)
If the (THE SUN that is right the SUN) goes into a cooling spell wouldn't you want some c02 :-) so the planet is warmer.
This mini ice age was reported many places a couple weeks ago and was on hundreds of websites and news stories, and you know what if in 15 years the earth does cool they will say it was because of man made reasons. Is this a FACT predicting the future weather patterns? Lets see according the the climate change experts 30 years ago we should be under water by now. But hey its ok to predict DOOM as long as it fits the global warming nuts agenda. Or whatever political environment belief is at the time. I know this, tomorrow the sun will come out and the sun will go down and this will repeat everyday. Because the sun does this, and effects so many things including the moon and the other planets and the pull on gravity. I am sure the weather will have extremes and this has ALWAYS HAPPENED in the history of the planet. Those are the facts that people seem to ignore. Being that ACTUAL record keeping started like 100 years ago on anything we can understand I would say we dont know crap.
If the majority of the "community agreed" would we believe we could change it :-)
If the sun does go into a cooling spell wouldnt you want some c02 :-)
This mini ice age was reported many places, and you know what if in 15 years the earth does cool they will say it was because of man made reasons. Or whatever political environment belief is at the time. I know this, tomorrow the sun will come out and the sun will go down and this will repeat. Because the sun does this, and effects so many things including the moon and the other planets and the pull on gravity. I am sure the weather will have extremes and this has ALWAYS HAPPENED in the history of the planet. Those are the facts that people seem to ignore. Being that ACTUAL record keeping started like 100 years ago on anything we can understand I would say we dont know crap.
Oh good grief. Try reading something more credible than journalists who don't have a clue about science and don't fact check their sensationalised stories first. The journalists and media who didn't fact-check are looking pretty stupid now with egg on their faces.
1. CO2 levels now are lower than the averages on earth over time. What we need is more CO2, not less.
2. CO2 levels increase AFTER temperatures increase. This is demonstrated in ice cores. Saying CO2 causes warming is like saying that lung cancer causes smoking.
3. The greatest "green house gas" is water vapor, which far eclipses any impact of CO2.
10. The main polluters in the world are China and India. Even if global warming was real (which it is not), changes in the US would have no impact on global CO2 levels.
I remember in the late 1970s and early 1980s when it was rumored that the left was going to declare CO2 a "pollutant" in order to curb industrial production. Everyone laughed, as such a notion is insane. Now we have the lunatics running the asylum and the absurd is taken as the gospel truth, in defiance of rational science.
"Global Warming" turns valid science upside down and violates the cornerstone of the scientific method- refuting the null hypothesis. In what other realm of science is further or contrary information derided and villified? None- only cults do this.
Not sure where you are getting your CO2 info Hawkeye but it certainly doesnt coincide with scientific consensus.= https://www.google.ca/#safe=active&q...rd+high+levels
Also what scientific data are you using to refute the scientist claims regarding Global Warming and by default CO2 levels as most of what you proclaim sounds a lot like opinion rather than fact.
Don't forget...the continents are moving continuously... once there was only ONE large landmass...and it's broken up into our 7 continents....you change the amount of water/oceans in relation to the land, and the weather will change...perhaps the climate will change...
I do NOT doubt that the climate is changing....I just dispute that we humans have anything to do with it, or can do anything to change it....and what would we change it TO, if we could change it????
The saying, "Don't mess with Mother Nature" is a good saying to live by!
Don't forget...the continents are moving continuously... once there was only ONE large landmass...and it's broken up into our 7 continents....you change the amount of water/oceans in relation to the land, and the weather will change...perhaps the climate will change...
I do NOT doubt that the climate is changing....I just dispute that we humans have anything to do with it, or can do anything to change it....and what would we change it TO, if we could change it????
The saying, "Don't mess with Mother Nature" is a good saying to live by!
I'm always curious why people feel entitled to make up to opinions when we have science to answer these questions. Scientists have studied potential natural causes.
Tectonic plate shifts can impact climate long-term and regionally, or at most in a quick burst like a volcsno exploding, but only CO2 aligns with the rapid timescale we've seen with this latest warming.
As for what we can do, ending output of greenhouse gases would be a great start. This is a tiny planet. It's not that hard to change.
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