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Old 07-27-2015, 10:33 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Everyone knows already what happened to Sandra Bland when she was caught on film "sassing" (my word for it) a white police officer. She kept insisting that she did NOT have to get out of her car. The policeman said that she DID. Who was right? By custom, we are told and informed to obey the law and the law enforcers. But constiitutionally, can we resist getting out of our cars when stopped by a policeman? I know that we might get killed for doing so, but it would still be a constitutional right nonetheless (if it is).
You wish.

There is no such Constitutional right, and you will get yourself killed if you take it too far.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:02 PM
 
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You wish.

There is no such Constitutional right, and you will get yourself killed if you take it too far.
10 Things About The Sandra Bland Traffic Stop That Every Texan Should Know | Texas Public Radio


This is a very good summary of what peoples' constitutional rights are. Problem is that the cops might not really take too kindly to people who know what their rights are.
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Old 07-28-2015, 05:22 PM
 
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In a case like the video below, what is the verdict, here?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mSka-9CtoM

Last edited by nineball; 07-28-2015 at 06:00 PM..
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Old 01-13-2020, 05:20 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS do we have when stopped by law enforcement?
All of them. Most law enforcement does not know your rights.
The best right to use when stopped by LEO is the "shut the **** up, Friday" right.
"I don't answer questions from my servants"
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Old 01-13-2020, 06:23 PM
 
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The reality is, cops have a WIDE berth to do as they feel necessary, little accountability unless caught on video doing something really bad.

I have had many run-ins with LE, caused by me minding my own business.

I remain silent, that is the best thing to do.
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Old 01-13-2020, 07:52 PM
 
Location: The South
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I have just always followed the rule my daddy told me when I was young. When dealing with law enforcement, Yes Sir, No Sir, How High Should I Jump? Works for me.
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Old 01-13-2020, 08:20 PM
 
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The reality is, cops have a WIDE berth to do as they feel necessary, little accountability unless caught on video doing something really bad.

I have had many run-ins with LE, caused by me minding my own business.

I remain silent, that is the best thing to do.

ALWAYS VIDEO THE POLICE. that way when they violate your rights you have the evidence of such violations and can use that against them in every court when you sue their butts, epecially if they do something to lose their qualified immunity.
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Old 01-13-2020, 10:46 PM
 
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I have just always followed the rule my daddy told me when I was young. When dealing with law enforcement, Yes Sir, No Sir, How High Should I Jump? Works for me.
It would be so much better for everyone if we taught kids THEIR RIGHTS when it comes to interacting with police, instead of just telling them to OBEY EVERYTHING! Thats what Ive taught mine! They know better than to ever consent to a search or allow a cop to do anything more than what he is legally allowed to do!


Ive had my share of run ins with police when I was younger, but nothing serious, however, what Im hearing from younger people today, if they do try to exercise their rights and withhold giving their names or showing ID, etc, the cops will threaten to charge them with 'hindering police'...


Funny, how when the tables are turned, its perfectly fine FOR THEM to know and exercise rights (as long as it benefits them), but if a citizen attempts it, they are threatened and intimidated..? Hmm I wonder why that is?!
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Old 01-14-2020, 12:05 AM
 
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It would be so much better for everyone if we taught kids THEIR RIGHTS when it comes to interacting with police, instead of just telling them to OBEY EVERYTHING! Thats what Ive taught mine! They know better than to ever consent to a search or allow a cop to do anything more than what he is legally allowed to do!


Ive had my share of run ins with police when I was younger, but nothing serious, however, what Im hearing from younger people today, if they do try to exercise their rights and withhold giving their names or showing ID, etc, the cops will threaten to charge them with 'hindering police'...


Funny, how when the tables are turned, its perfectly fine FOR THEM to know and exercise rights (as long as it benefits them), but if a citizen attempts it, they are threatened and intimidated..? Hmm I wonder why that is?!

yeah, the cops also threaten to arrest of obstruction or failure to ID or other secondary crap like that. and when they do arrest for secondary crimes, they get tossed out of court because there is no primary crime to go along with the secondary crime.


and once that happens you then sue the bastards for violating your civil rights as the false arrest charge loses their qualified immunity.
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Old 01-14-2020, 05:40 AM
 
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the side of the road is not the place to determine the constitutionality, or lack thereof, of a police officers actions. the courtroom is the place however, and there are legal remedies to illegal and/or unconstitutional actions taken by a police officer.

there are however times when you should refuse a police officers orders, such as if they tell you strip on the side of the road, as that is a blatantly illegal order and does not have to be obeyed.

nine times out of ten though, if you treat the police officer with respect, and due deference, you will leave the encounter with your freedom intact.

And life intact!
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