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Old 07-25-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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Vern Buchanan House ways and means, House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce.
Congressman Royce
will be holding hearings and there will be votes coming up. His message is we the constituents need
to inform our elected officials of our position. And we need to educate those around us on what a bad deal
this agreement is.

Summation : We are so screwed.

Interesting facts I didn't know.

1) The house sent bipartisan legislation supporting a plan to use methods like those use
to destroy N. Korea's economy to the Senate where Harry Reid would not bring it to the
floor for a vote and Obama said he would veto it anyway.
A) So when Obama and State Dept. Kerry tell us there was no alternative, but war,
to this agreement they are not lying, because they rejected the alternative.
Why ? Perhaps - so Obama can add to his legacy. Risk of future nuclear war was
not the priority. He is willing to gamble that for personal gain.
2) It was the Russians who did the most damage and will continue to do so. They want to sell
the guidance system to the missiles which is what Iran is lacking. They have the missiles
but not the ability to guide them. Russia pushed to allow the missiles to be covered under
this agreement.

3) The surprise to me and good news is I was surrounded by Trump supporters. Some who are using their
own money, because Trump doesn't need contributions, to produce pamphlets and other support
material. Anyone who thinks Trump supporters are not working at the grass roots and raising
the support of others will be very surprised if they take these voters for granted.
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Old 07-25-2015, 09:03 PM
 
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I almost forgot one other bit of interesting information.

In the agreement we guarantee we will protect Iran's nuclear sites. That's part of the deal !!!

If the agreement is to defeat or slow Iran nuclear progress. How is protecting the the sites, where the work to
produce that destruction capability, is being preformed ?

One speaker at the town Hall made the comment that it sounded like Obama was aiding and abating the enemy.
Followed by a call for impeachment to a round of applause. Impeachment was called for on two or maybe three
times during the meeting. But you have to be able to win that in the court and it has been favorable to Obama.
Not a place congress wants to go.

One other point : the newest deception:

“There's no side deals, there's no secret deals between Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency,” State Department spokesman John Kerry stated earlier this week. Pressed by the media, the White House reversed course and acknowledged the existence of secret “side deals” with Iran.
Accepting any agreement that leaves the door open to Iran's continued pursuit of a nuclear weapon should be a non-starter. It's time to let the world know that America is serious about protecting its interests.

Sending a girl scout with a box of cookies to make an agreement would have gotten us a better deal.
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Old 07-25-2015, 09:37 PM
 
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I almost forgot one other bit of interesting information.

In the agreement we guarantee we will protect Iran's nuclear sites. That's part of the deal !!!

If the agreement is to defeat or slow Iran nuclear progress. How is protecting the the sites, where the work to
produce that destruction capability, is being preformed ?

One speaker at the town Hall made the comment that it sounded like Obama was aiding and abating the enemy.
Followed by a call for impeachment to a round of applause. Impeachment was called for on two or maybe three
times during the meeting. But you have to be able to win that in the court and it has been favorable to Obama.
Not a place congress wants to go.

One other point : the newest deception:

“There's no side deals, there's no secret deals between Iran and the International Atomic Energy Agency,” State Department spokesman John Kerry stated earlier this week. Pressed by the media, the White House reversed course and acknowledged the existence of secret “side deals” with Iran.
Accepting any agreement that leaves the door open to Iran's continued pursuit of a nuclear weapon should be a non-starter. It's time to let the world know that America is serious about protecting its interests.

Sending a girl scout with a box of cookies to make an agreement would have gotten us a better deal.
Leftists ARE the enemy.

The current crop realize the Millenials will only stay brainwashed so long until they figure out THEY are marked as future serfs. This is why the Dems are feverishly importing voters from Central America. And the latter have never heard of Iran.
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Old 07-25-2015, 09:51 PM
 
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This is a cut & paste from today's Economist newspaper - hardly a "leftist enemy" rag:

In a meticulously detailed document which, with appendices, extends to well over 100 pages, the most intrusive nuclear-inspection arrangements ever designed are described. Not only will inspectors have a right to visit any site they deem suspicious, but every stage of the fuel cycle will be monitored, as will Iran’s nuclear supply chain. This deal implicitly assumes that Iran will attempt to cheat unless it knows it will get caught. The North Korean agreement showed no concern about uranium-enrichment activities, which, in due course, the regime in Pyongyang exploited. With Iran, Mr Obama was right to say that its every pathway towards a bomb has been blocked.

Just as important as the technical differences between the two agreements are the differences between the two societies. North Korea is the most hermetically sealed country on earth. Ending its isolation by exposing its terrified, impoverished people to outside influences was the last thing the Kims wanted. Iran has a large population of well-educated young people who use the internet and social media. The election of President Hassan Rohani was brought about by businesses and citizens painfully aware of the economic damage done by sanctions. Opportunities to trade with the rest of the world could revitalise Iran’s economy.

That there are bits of the regime that disapprove of the gamble taken by the supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, points to another distinction. In Iran, against a backdrop of limited democracy, factions compete for power. Even Mr Khamenei has to exercise his authority with care. North Korea is the most totalitarian society in the world. For the Kims, the survival of the regime is personal. The country’s pariah status is something it relishes. Brandishing nuclear weapons are the only way it knows to guarantee it will be left alone.

The incentives for Iran to abide by what its negotiators have laboured to deliver are powerful, while the penalty of sanctions being reimposed in the event of non-compliance would be devastating and humiliating. For North Korea, reneging on its commitments was relatively painless and even had a strange kind of logic.




Not déjà vu all over again | The Economist
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Old 07-25-2015, 10:20 PM
 
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This is a cut & paste from today's Economist newspaper - hardly a "leftist enemy" rag:

In a meticulously detailed document which, with appendices, extends to well over 100 pages, the most intrusive nuclear-inspection arrangements ever designed are described. Not only will inspectors have a right to visit any site they deem suspicious, but every stage of the fuel cycle will be monitored, as will Iran’s nuclear supply chain. This deal implicitly assumes that Iran will attempt to cheat unless it knows it will get caught. The North Korean agreement showed no concern about uranium-enrichment activities, which, in due course, the regime in Pyongyang exploited. With Iran, Mr Obama was right to say that its every pathway towards a bomb has been blocked.

Just as important as the technical differences between the two agreements are the differences between the two societies. North Korea is the most hermetically sealed country on earth. Ending its isolation by exposing its terrified, impoverished people to outside influences was the last thing the Kims wanted. Iran has a large population of well-educated young people who use the internet and social media. The election of President Hassan Rohani was brought about by businesses and citizens painfully aware of the economic damage done by sanctions. Opportunities to trade with the rest of the world could revitalise Iran’s economy.

That there are bits of the regime that disapprove of the gamble taken by the supreme leader, Ali Khamenei, points to another distinction. In Iran, against a backdrop of limited democracy, factions compete for power. Even Mr Khamenei has to exercise his authority with care. North Korea is the most totalitarian society in the world. For the Kims, the survival of the regime is personal. The country’s pariah status is something it relishes. Brandishing nuclear weapons are the only way it knows to guarantee it will be left alone.

The incentives for Iran to abide by what its negotiators have laboured to deliver are powerful, while the penalty of sanctions being reimposed in the event of non-compliance would be devastating and humiliating. For North Korea, reneging on its commitments was relatively painless and even had a strange kind of logic.


Not déjà vu all over again | The Economist
Interesting perspective. "The truth is the first causality in war" someone said ( don't know who ).

So when the congressmen say the giveaways to the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism will only embolden the “Death to America” crowd in Tehran and destabilize the Middle East. They are lying ?
When the same congressmen say that Iran has cheated and lied on all other agreements. We are to believe that this time it will be different ?

Hopefully the coming hearings by Congressman Royce, where they have read the deal, will show what the deal is or isn't. There will be a vote in both houses and again the hope is it will be one that is favorable to American interest.
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Old 07-25-2015, 11:17 PM
 
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Interesting perspective. "The truth is the first causality in war" someone said ( don't know who ).

So when the congressmen say the giveaways to the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism will only embolden the “Death to America” crowd in Tehran and destabilize the Middle East. They are lying ?
When the same congressmen say that Iran has cheated and lied on all other agreements. We are to believe that this time it will be different ?

Hopefully the coming hearings by Congressman Royce, where they have read the deal, will show what the deal is or isn't. There will be a vote in both houses and again the hope is it will be one that is favorable to American interest.
I think after it's all said and done it will be in America's interest that the deal will be maintained.

The support of the deal by the five security members of the UN plus Germany shows what is at stake. We also have a letter of support from 60 prominent National security advisers from both Republican and Democrat Administrations.

60 senior US national security leaders support Iran deal - US News

So in my humble opinion, after 60 days, this deal will still be ON. We can come back to this thread...
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Old 07-26-2015, 12:05 AM
 
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I think after it's all said and done it will be in America's interest that the deal will be maintained.

The support of the deal by the five security members of the UN plus Germany shows what is at stake. We also have a letter of support from 60 prominent National security advisers from both Republican and Democrat Administrations.

60 senior US national security leaders support Iran deal - US News

So in my humble opinion, after 60 days, this deal will still be ON. We can come back to this thread...
Sounds good. The names mentioned in the link you provided are impressive.
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Old 07-26-2015, 09:33 AM
 
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Interesting perspective. "The truth is the first causality in war" someone said ( don't know who ).

So when the congressmen say the giveaways to the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism will only embolden the “Death to America” crowd in Tehran and destabilize the Middle East. They are lying ?
When the same congressmen say that Iran has cheated and lied on all other agreements. We are to believe that this time it will be different ?

Hopefully the coming hearings by Congressman Royce, where they have read the deal, will show what the deal is or isn't. There will be a vote in both houses and again the hope is it will be one that is favorable to American interest.

Some congressmen lie, some are just drawing the wrong conclusions. The deal is a good one, and in everyone's best interest. It is in Iran's interests to comply also.
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Old 07-26-2015, 10:23 AM
 
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Some congressmen lie, some are just drawing the wrong conclusions. The deal is a good one, and in everyone's best interest. It is in Iran's interests to comply also.
Yeah, well to some, no deal can possibly better than a military strike/invasion of Iran....the only deal some seemingly want.

But that's none of my business.
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Old 07-26-2015, 02:12 PM
 
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Yeah, well to some, no deal can possibly better than a military strike/invasion of Iran....the only deal some seemingly want.

But that's none of my business.

True. Opponents can never offer a plausible alternative either..
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