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Old 07-29-2015, 05:27 AM
 
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Europe is going through a transformation. Leftists of Europe hate Europe for what it is. So be careful when you say you want to be like today's Europe.



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Old 07-29-2015, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I know you're really trying to avoid reality, but here's what the OECD states is the average revenue source of all OECD countries. 2/3 comes from the regressive taxes: Consumption, Property, and Social Insurance taxes
I think the poster (and everyone else) wonders why you keep calling it "regressive tax" as opposed to just calling it for what it is: consumption tax.
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Old 07-29-2015, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Not Eastern Europe, but the socialist countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Etc. I feel like they are trying to turn us into Europe by taking away freedoms and pushing their liberal/socialist views on us.
Firstly, what makes you think the USA is in reality one iota freer than any other democracy? With the militarised police causing havoc whenever and however they choose, the "big brother" of umteen security services stomping on the rights and freedoms of Americans on a constant basis and the country seemingly run by and for the corporate elite I'd say that freedom is very restricted in the USA. The countries that you cite as "Socialist" are in fact not socialist. Having good and universal "social programmes" does not make a country socialist. Americans seem to have a strange idea about the freedom of others. For example, My freedoms as a Canadian are far more secure and guaranteed by law than those of any American. Yet Canada is viewed as one of those scary scary SOCIALIST places Americans fear.
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Old 07-29-2015, 06:48 AM
 
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I think the poster (and everyone else) wonders why you keep calling it "regressive tax" as opposed to just calling it for what it is: consumption tax.
A consumption tax is usually not regressive or progressive it is flat.
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Old 07-29-2015, 06:51 AM
 
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A consumption tax is usually not regressive or progressive it is flat.
I think his reasoning is that its "regressive", because it consumes a larger percentage of income from lower income people. But why play with words, when could just call it consumption tax?

Income tax in Europe and US is progressive, but Europe has a higher consumption tax. It is misleading to call European system "regressive".
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Old 07-29-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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I think his reasoning is that its "regressive", because it consumes a larger percentage of income from lower income people. But why play with words, when could just call it consumption tax?

Income tax in Europe and US is progressive, but Europe has a higher consumption tax. It is misleading to call European system "regressive".
Europe has both income and consumption tax.

Their income taxes are less progressive than ours.
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Old 07-29-2015, 07:04 AM
 
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Europe has both income and consumption tax.
That's what I said

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Their income taxes are less progressive than ours.
Both are progressive. Europe just has a lot of different taxes. Denmark has Income tax of 8%. Then they have local tax, which is average of 24%, then they have health care tax of 8%, state tax from 6-16% up to 57% total income tax.
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Old 07-29-2015, 07:06 AM
 
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I think the poster (and everyone else) wonders why you keep calling it "regressive tax" as opposed to just calling it for what it is: consumption tax.
Consumption taxes are regressive. Not only has that been the liberals' argument against instituting a national U.S. consumption tax, but that fact is universally accepted to be true:

Tax Research UK » Why VAT is regressive
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Old 07-29-2015, 07:07 AM
 
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I think his reasoning is that its "regressive", because it consumes a larger percentage of income from lower income people.
Exactly.
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Old 07-29-2015, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Consumption taxes are regressive. Not only has that been the liberals' argument against instituting a national U.S. consumption tax, but that fact is universally accepted to be true:

Tax Research UK » Why VAT is regressive
I am just saying it's a play of words. It is clearer to call it for what it is: a consumption tax.

When you start talking about regressive taxes, a lot of people say: "huh..?".
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